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10th Grade Summer Reading
Benchmark
Abstract
My grandmother Cynthia Washington reflects on how it was to be African American during the Civil Rights Movement time period. She shared her knowledge and outlooks on topics pertaining to discrimination against blacks and her outlook on race and how it ties into society. She begins the conversation talking about how she attended a segregated school and then later moves into her perception of race and events/ things that were occurring when the Civil Rights movement took place. She wraps up the interview with her thoughts on what was going on in the schools at the time and how whites were offered a much better education than blacks were.
Research
Topic: How was the education offered to blacks during the Civil Rights Movement different than the education that was offered to the whites?
In most places the blacks lived in some of the poorest places and neighborhoods with some of the worst schools/ facilities. The teachers had the worst paid jobs so therefore they couldn’t afford some of the common schools/ facilities.
That they did was symbolic that they had the worst paid jobs that could only afford the most basic of facilities. The worst financed schools were most of the ones that were separated. Meaning they were segregated. This information can tie into what my grandmother told me in the interview because she said the schools didn’t have a lot of money and most times they didn’t have enough supplies to educate the students at all times.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/civil_rights_education.htm
I didn't get to have a face to face conversation with my interviewee so I don't have an audio file. I did however have a phone interview with my person and wrote down their answers to my questions.
Conversation
ME- Hi grandma, how are you doing today?
GRANDMA- I'm doing good Imani, how about you?
ME- I'm fine, I called to see if you could answer some questions about life during the Civil rights Movement time.
GRANDMA- Sure, I'll answer some questions.
ME- Ok I have 10 questions for you
GRANDMA- Ok
ME- Did you attend a segregated school?
GRANDMA- Yes
ME- Did you ever get attacked by a group of white people? Either by their words or violent actions?
GRANDMA- I had never gotten physically attacked by any whites but every now and then there would be whites that would say rude racial slurs and remarks to me
ME- How has your perception of race changed from then and now?
GRANDMA- I see race in a way different limelight then I did back then. Back then I didn't feel that race was a good things. Simply because of the fact that me and my people were getting discriminated against. I didn't feel like whites and blacks were equal in anyway. A lot of things were unfair to me. A lot of things also didn't sit right with me. Now we're in a whole nother day in age where these aren't the circumstances anymore. I feel the exact opposite on how I felt before.
ME- What specific things do you remember from when the Civil Rights Movement took place?
GRANDMA- There was a lot of protesting going on and a lot of violent outbreaks.
ME- How do you see the role of race in society?
GRANDMA- I feel and think that race plays a huge role in society. For example believe it or not sometimes race can play into what kind of a job you can get how much money people decide you earn etc.
ME- Did you feel like a minority during these times?
GRANDMA- Yes i did, like I stated before I just felt like a lot of things were unfair.
ME- Did you ever feel like you weren't safe since whites were so prejudice against blacks?
GRANDMA- At times I would feel unsafe especially because of the things you would see on tv and in the newspapers about violence going on in other places.
ME- What were some things you observed pertaining to discrimination?
GRANDMA- I would see and hear whites making racial comments and other offensive things to blacks.
ME- What took place/ what was going on in schools during these times?
GRANDMA- In the black schools a lot of changes were taking place. We didn't have everything that we needed at all times to be educated properly. Such as the school not having enough supplies and books for kids... etc
ME- Did you feel like you got the same education that whites had/ were offered. Why or why not?
GRANDMA- No because we didn't have as good of a quality education that they were offered. Like I said before sometimes we didn't even have enough materials for everybody to learn.
10th Grade Summer Advisory Assignment
Sports Journalism - L. Newbern
Keith Pompey
By: Lyza Newbern
lnewbern@slabeeber.org
Born in the Frankford part of Philadelphia, this beat reporter answers questions from 7 of Science Leadership Academy @ Beeber’s students during an hour long Q&A. Questions like ‘When did you start writing?’, ‘Did you ever run out of things to write about?’, and of course ‘Who do you think will go home champions from the NBA championship game?’ It was an hour of laughter, memories were shared and made.
He talked answered questions about the hardships of working on the beat, considering the hours he had to put into it during the 2013-2014 season. Pompey, being the reporter for the Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers and their record beating 26 games in-a-row losses he has dealt with a lot of different feedback and reviews from his readers. He stated that this is the “age of twitter” and that he has to keep up with his competitors more now than ever because of the internet. One of the students asked a question that went along the lines of “How did you never run out of things to say while writing throughout their losing streak?” he shed some light about things that he knew with the student and the overall goal of what he did while this was going on. He said that he knew he always had to tell a story, he knows that the game story becomes old faster now because of the internet and that he knew he had to write about something else to keep people interested and entertained. While writing throughout the NBA all-time high record of straight loses he wrote about them as if they were the Heat. Not thinking about the loss - or win - he wrote because it was his “duty” to keep his readers happy.
“Let’s face it the heat lost to the sixers.” was his reply when asked who his prediction on who will win the NBA 2014 championship. He stated that the - predicted - winners of the final game have the “Best Bench in the league.”
While being a writer on the beat is extremely tiring, Pompey, believes he will be able to last another 2-3 years doing what he loves. His dream however is “to shoot for the ESPN.” He is dedicated to only go up.Oral Benchmark Project - Elizabeth Cauvin
- is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice
- Nearly 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, African Americans in Southern states still inhabited a starkly unequal world of disenfranchisement, segregation and various forms of oppression, including race-inspired violence.
- The modern period of civil rights reform can be divided into several phases, each beginning with isolated, small-scale protests and ultimately resulting in the emergence of new, more militant movements, leaders, and organizations.
EC - Hello how are ?
Ms.Jones - Im fine
EC - Ok so um The first question is What do you know about The Civil Rights Movement?
Ms.Jones - Um I lived on the part of the civil Rights movement, and um I know that it was a time where that is was a time where minority, preferably blacks was uh outworldly demonstrating for equal rights and even our famous leader was Martin Luther king , and he um broke a lot of barriers by even uh uh um making some blacks schools in the south accept some white schools accept black students dealt with something with Rosa Parks, where she didn’t have to sit in the back of the bus, and I know in Philadelphia I uh um joined in the marches from my high school Dobbins to city hall where we uh marched into civil rights. So I kind of experienced it.
EC - Ok um What was your conceptualization of race and how it has changed?
Ms.Jones- ok Um well race is just happy dance , I mean you were born of the race of your mother and father , you don’t choose it. But basically except for the skin color , were all the same its just in the minds of people the feel that the lighter fair of skin tones are better than the darker tones. I think it ih ignorance , i think its uh prejudice , but then ever race is prejudice in some way or another even dark skin people are prejudice against the light skins. The light skins against the dark skins, and it has always been and I fill it always will be.
EC - ok so um how did you see the role of race in society?
Ms.jones- Um I think that society now don’t really fight for anything, and I feel the racist in society now has set the civil uh the the , all of the- the uh um fight that we did for the civil right back 50 years. Um they claim that people are more acceptance now, but I feel that um racism has its own ugly face, in everything worse than it did before. And one evidence is to want to be reversed the um informative action - ok , and once they reversed that you could no longer go into court, and be heard, in the matter of race.
EC -Hmm Ok so What do you remember from the Civil Rights Movement ?
Ms.Jones- I can remember um the the the the killing of Martin Luther King. Um I can remember the riots in Philadelphia. Uh I can remember um as as a child when they uh did the riots in my neighborhood, uh where the police liked bashed in our store door because we wouldn’t go inside. I can remember the neighbors breaking in their own store and their own neighborhoods , and stealing the products. I can remember day Martin Luther King was dead , and how silent it was that morning and uh how everybody rode in the cars and the lights on. Um I can remember breaking out of my school at Dobbins, and um with the other student body , and uh marching and singing the songs like “we shall overcome”. Um I can remember marching around uh Girard college because it didn’t accept any blacks. Um I can remember the bombing of the churches in Atlanta where the kids got killed, so its all through by bringing them.
EC - that’s crazy
EC - Um, ok , so Were you ever discriminated as a child going to school ? If so how did you deal with it ?
Ms.Jones- Absolutely I have being a dark skin of a black women, um y-your discriminated against, like I said the fairer skin of blacks I can remember , like even when we saw blacks on t.v it was like fairer skin women , were the stars , and the darker women only got um parts as maids or nannies and things. And I can remember when they had um toys and cartoons of like “pick-a-mutant” , “blackface” , and um “Ain’t ya momma on the pancake box” (laughter) - Ok . And um it’s still here because they just had the case with the um the sports owner. Just because people don’t speak about it in public , don’t mean that they don’t feel it and speak about it within their own group. Its alive , and living in America and every other country.
EC - Um How old were you during the Civil Rights Movement ?
Ms.Jones- um I still feel were in the civil rights movement, so i’ve been in the civil rights movement from birth- okay (laughter) - and it never stopped. I can remember my first trip going with my family to South Carolina to visit my grandmother, and I’ve must’ve been eight and I was suprised how we couldn’t go to the bathrooms , to the restaurants, um I was surprised of how some of the Blacks lives versus the ones who wasn’t . And they stood there, they definitely had signs in places “White Only” - okay - Um I can remember first time on my job where , and I wore a uh African type hair due , and my boss was caucasian - (The time had ran out , so I started a new one )
EC - okay were going to start off - ( still on the other question which is : Um How old were you during the Civil Rights Movement ? )
Ms.Jones- In my early twenties, was my first job when um the African hair due became popular. The first day I went to work with it, my boss just happened to be caucasian uh joke to me was “ what did you do ? Stick you finger in electric socket - Okay ( laughter) - which ( laughter ) I didn’t find very funny - Okay ( and more laughter ) - And oh , so thats the new that one.
EC - How was it back in the day, when you were a child?
Ms.Jones- Well like - in fact , back in the day it wasn’t hidden racist. So you were very much aware of it . So um it was just an um acceptance um of a way of life. You didn’t like it , but you were aware. You knew certain neighborhoods you didn’t go in , you knew if you went to certain places, you could not go in and use the uh restrooms or be served in the restaurant. You knew certain schools were not going to get into , so it was - you you unlike today where it’s hidden it was out there for you to deal with it back when I was a child.
EC - What's different from today and back in the day ?
Ms.Jones- Well that was one difference is that it was clear , versus hidden. In fact, it was some of that where in the laws , I mean it was just acceptable behavior … okay. And back in the day, like you didn’t learn about black history , it was - I was an adult before I realized that blacks invented things and had a history. So um it was just a uh uh uh regular way of life , that was the reason that excited the um Civil Rights Movement because after a while people just got tired of being treated that kind of way , and that made like great men like Martin Luther king and other Civil Rights leaders um put their life on the line to change these things um because under the guidelines we all made equal.
EC - Do you know about Emmett Till , and how do you feel about his death ?
Ms.Jones- Now I’m not familiar with that name , like I said back then they did not teach us black history.
EC- Okay …
Ms.Jones- So I feel that the kids today know more about black history uh leaders than we did , we only know the ones that was out there on the television.
EC- well Emmett Till he wasn’t like a leader he was 14 year old that got beaten brutally , and like his face was messed up , like his mom didn’t even know it was him , and she had an open casket funeral.
Ms.Jones- Ok Ok I remember that. Now the way I feel about that is just that was typical of the way they used to victimize uh blacks uh in the South and other places from the beginning in the time. I mean back to when they had uh segregation where they used hang blacks from the trees -
EC - yes they lynched them
Ms.jones- yeah well they lynched them so blacks always been in danger in certain parts of the the world that they go because their black. And to make it more personal um I have a sister that um went to a party at a friend of her’s house who happened to be caucasian whereas she was the only black at the party , and some point they all jumped on her and uh this was right here in center city about 4 YEARS AGO . So like I said it’s just the way it is , you can’t change what’s in mind , and when they had the uh the guys of wood hoods they had children and the children had children and these are the people that are out um in the workplace now, and you went to school wit ‘em and you wouldn’t think that their attitudes had changed. They-They seem to say when they took off their hood “we’re going in but we’re coming out different
EC - yeah i agree
Ms.Jones- Its still there because these kids and the kids of the kids are worse than them because they have been feed the stuff from birth .
EC- okay -
Ms.Jones - Alright
EC - Do you have any final thoughts ? Anything else you would like to say ?
Ms.Jones- It’s just that I had hoped that in my lifetime I would see a change , but um it is - In fact , its coming back again in hard. its just that children of today never experienced it they way we did don’t recognized it. And they were brought up to feel that it’s not there . they don’t see where it touches - okay … because they're not aware. We were aware , so hopefully um I believe in God and I still feel that he has the final say in all this
EC - thank you for answering my questions , have a nice day .
Ms.Jones - You too.Oral History Benchmark Kevin Williams
Abstract
In this interview my Grandmother Gloria B. Hopkins talked to me about how she never really encountered any racism personally. She also talked to me about how our family that was in Alabama was brought up and the segregations problems that the family faced in that part of the country. My 65 year old grandmother goes into great detail on how things were taking place back in her time.
Research
My Grandmother talked about how her High School didn’t have any racial problems but a High School in Little Rock, AR couldn’t say that. A couple African Americans kids were brave enough to attend an ALL WHITE school. After the school day the kids were harassed and verbally assaulted. My Grandmother also stated that in Alabama there was segregation with a lot of the public facilities. In my research I found out they kept most of the public black units separate from the white units.
Sources
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States
- http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1917beyond/essays/crm.htm
- http://www.historybits.com/civilrights.htm
- http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/civil-rights-movement-overview
Interviewee- Gloria B. Hopkins
Interviewer- Kevin J. Williams
GH- Gloria B. Hopkins
KW- Kevin J. Williams
GH- Good Afternoon, my name is Gloria B. Hopkins and I’m the Grandmother or shall I say Nana of one of your Pride students Mr. Kevin Williams, and I’m here to do an interview. Kevin has asked me to be a interviewee for one of his projects at school. So I’m more than Happy to do that. The date is tuesday May 20th, 2014, and Kevin I’m all ready, lets get started.
KW- How are you doing today Nana?
GH- I’m great how about your self sweet heart?
KW- I’m doing good.
GH- It’s a beautiful day, and it’s election day so we’re hoping that everyone will exercise their right to vote today and VOTE. OKAY
KW- Alright Nana lets get started
GH- Let’s get Started
KW- So my project is about racism as you know, so I just wanted to know when you were in school did you ever encounter any racism?
GH- Kevin I was very fortunate that while I was growing up it was very little if any racism that I actually experienced, living in the North, living in Philadelphia. I know that there was sections of the city where racism did exist, however where I resided it did not. I lived in a section of Philadelphia called Germantown and section called Tioga. So I did not encounter any type of racism growing up. Either my Junior High School or my Elementary School and even my High School, I never encountered any racism.
KW- So when you were growing up lIke your friends, were you allowed to play with other white kids?
GH- Oh definately, definately well I grew up as a kid so whrn I was 11 and 12 most of my friends was of other cultures. Jackie P, Jackie S, and Philis. We were all buddies. We would go in and out of eachothers houses. They would eat at my house and I would eat at their house. There was no type of racism, we never encountered that or I personally never encountered that. Even though I was very much aware that it was going on in other parts of the city, but not basically where I lived.
KW- Did any members in our family,like older members in our family ever really encounter any racism?
GH- I’m sure my Mother did, my Mother was a nurse and she went to Medical College of Pennsylvania. In Philadelphia on Henrie Avenue. She worked there for about 35 years in Nursery. Yes, she would tell me of times some of the Rpatients did not want her handle their baby because her skin tone was Black. But she was one of the most outstanding nurses that the Medical College of Pennsylvania ever even had.
KW- Right
GH- So i know that my Father was one of the very first black bricklayers here in Philadelphia, he worked for a company called John B. Kelly. And yes because he was black, yes he experienced racism quite often on the various jobs.
KW- Right I know that was really tough.
GH- It was tough, it was tough the ground was being broken in the south there were changes that was being made all across the country. It was a tough time but for me personally I didn’t really have too much of a first hand experience on that.
KW- I know that we have family in the south right Nana, like I know that you talked to our southern cousins. I just wanted to know did they tell you about anything that took place down there?
GH- My mother was originally from Alabama. She was from a family of Ten children, 8 girls and 2 Boys. My grandfather John Mae was a very prestigious land owner there in the South. He had over 450 acres of farmland and they raised Cotton and they raised strawberries, all kinds of sweet potatoes and potatoes. With John Mae being who he was he was very respected in the south. My mother and her siblings they attended school with other white children. I’m sure they must’ve have experienced a lot of racism there. But as I said my grandfather was very well respected in the black and the white communities. My grandmother used to cook big pots she would feed everybody black,white, it didn’t make any difference. So yes in the south “Alabama very much so, but not too much for my parents that I am truly aware. But now back in that time when my mother was alive when she was being raised yes there was Jim Crow there were only blacks only could eat here, for colored people only,different water fountains for white people and another water fountain for colored people. So it was definitely alive and well in Alabama during the 60’s. That’s why we so many race riots and people children wanting to get into white schools and the whites not wanting them to be there. But segregation was alive and well in the south.
KW- I know that you didn’t really encounter any racism but like I know that you knew what it was and it was happening in other parts of the city and things. How does it make you feel that are race was being fought against really?
GH- Well I was always raised by my mother and my father to know that I was the best and that I could do anything that I set my mind to do. My mother worked with a lot of white people as nurses they loved her the doctors they respected her. I was always raised to believe that I could do anything that I wanted to do. I was always very outspoken I was very well aware what was going on in my surroundings. Not only here in Philadelphia but in other parts of the country. I realized that what I had here in Philadelphia other people didn’t have. The opportunity to go to school to do anything that you wanted to do if you were willing to work hard and set your mind to it. Those opportunities were available to me. I graduated from high school in 1966, from Germantown High School. My class was a very mixed class, whites and blacks. In the area that I live in now in Philadelphia so many of my white friends live in the area where I am now, which is predominantly black. So yes racism was alive but my parents always taught me that I can do anything that I wanted to do. And that I can do all things through Christ Jesus that strengthens me.
KW- Alright Thank you Nana, I really appreciate it.
GH- You're welcome I hope that you do well on this, Thank I’m excited that you thought about interviewing your Nana. I love you Sweetheart Good bye
Oral History Benchmark-Zoie Jones
Abstract
In this interview, Joy Lawrence reflects on the importance of race and the role it has played in her life. In this interview she opens up about how she notices the role race plays in her society and community. She brings up how racial tensions have improved and talks about how long we have until we can truly be united as one nation.
Research
Housing discrimination is discrimination based on protected class status, variously including race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation and gender identity. Fair Housing Act of 1968 was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in April 1968. This act prohibited discrimination concerning the sale, rental and financing of housing based on race, religion, national origin or sex. Joy Lawrence references not being allowed to buy the home of her and her husband, Edwin Lawrence’s, choice in the neighborhood of her choice (Yeadon)during the 1960’s because they were not selling houses to African Americans. Joy and her husband bought their house the year the Fair Housing Act was passed.
Sources
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/fair-housing-act
http://www.civilrights.org/fairhousing/laws/housing-discrimination.html
Transcript
Zoie Jones: Today, June 5th, I will be interviewing my grandmother, Joy Lawrence. So Grandma, what is your definition of the word “race”
Joy Lawrence: (pause) Race.. any ethnic body.
ZJ: Okay..Do you believe that race plays a role in your community and society as a whole?
JL: Definitely.
ZJ: And why do you believe that?
JL: Just look at our schools. In the predominantly white schools, there are all the facilities for learning. You go to a black school or a mixed school and the children have not got half of the facilities as the other children in the white schools. (pause) The.. you go to the supermarkets in the predominately black or African American stores compared with those in the white stores. Everything is fresher in the white stores than in the black stores. You look at the streets in a black or mixed community nothing is being done to clean them. You go to the white or suburban area and everything is spic and span, and we all pay taxes. Um..
ZJ: Has race ever played a role in your life?
JL: Yes, race has played a role in my life and is still playing a role in my life.
ZJ: And how?
JL: Because looking for a home, you would see a nice home in an area and you know you were not allowed to go there to buy a home because they were not selling homes to you unless you were of a certain ethnic group. A black person couldn’t go in a white neighborhood and buy a home. In some cases some people managed to get a home, and then they were discriminated against. Some people.. they even bombed their homes, they broke in their homes, they threw eggs on their homes and stuff like that. Some people got so disgusted they actually had to leave from where they lived. And, I think that in.. everybody should be allowed to live where they want to live and do what they want to do. Since there are laws in the country saying that we should not be discriminated against there should be some kind of backup or some kind of.. what should I say.. some way to uphold those laws.
ZJ: Um.. why are human rights important?
JL: Human rights are important because in everything, there has to be some kind of borderline. There have to be some kind of rules and regulations so that people would know not to overstep certain boundaries. Thats why the Constitution is there and thats why the cities have the stipulations.. what could be done here and what could be done there. Everything needs rules and regulations, lets just say that.
ZJ: Um.. do you believe that racial tensions have improved since the Civil Rights Movement or have they become worse?
JL: Have they become what?
ZJ: Worse.
JL: They have improved to a certain extent. For example there are no more signs saying whites only or blacks only and people can now go to any restaurant. You could travel anywhere, which um.. before Civil RIghts Movement everything was discriminated against. But then, a lot of people not taking advantage of all the things brought in to help blacks.
JL: Tell me Zoie.
ZJ: Um, do you believe racial tensions have improved?
JL: Tensions?
ZJ: Tenisons. Like do you believe we are all united as one race or do you think we’re separated?
JL: Yeah, the tensions they have improved. They have improved. I mean um, because of the laws you feel freer to go into places. You feel freer to apply for a job and there are laws that should be um, in your favor. Like before that everything was out of order.
JL: Alright, what else?
ZJ: Nothing ,that’s it. Thank you Grandma.History Interview
Interviewer: Jordan Escobar
Abstract: Gladys Rivera, a Puerto Rican woman growing up in Miami during the 1960s describes her experiences with African Americans in her environment, and her encounters with the movements pushed by them. She also makes mention of MLK, and feels that he made a difference in the end. She remembers how they marched, what it was like to see them push for what they wanted, and how these events could’ve been dangerous. She may not remember the details, but this is how she remembers that era.
However, keep in mind she is old. The answers she give are not always 100% related to the asked question. But she is not lying, this is her account of what happened.
Research: During the conversation my grandmother mentions Martin Luther King Jr., and the marches inspired by him. Martin Luther King is most famous for his speech “I Have A Dream”. This speech was given during the Washington March that he organized, where thousands of African Americans marched on Washington DC for a peaceful protest. Martin Luther King Jr. followed a strict doctrine of non-violence. Gladys remembers the “I Have a Dream” speech, and how after all these years, she’s seen with her own eyes that the movement did make a difference.
JE: What kind of environment did you grow up in? How were African Americans a part of your life.
GR It was a lot different. People got together. People got along very good. But today everyone is more to themselves
JE Now, did you ever see African Americans being treated unfairly?
GR Not really, I see that everyone was being treated fine.
JE: Do you remember seeing marches for movements? Can you describe them?
GR I saw marches for Martin Luther King, and rights. Blacks and hispanics.
JE You saw them march together?
GR Yes. Together.
JE What would you say was the goal of the marches?
GR They were trying to get people to get together.
JE: Was it a success?
GR: Not really but they tried.
JE: Compared to today, was integration worse back then?
GR: They didn’t care how African Americans did. Now people care, what they say matters.
JE: Do you think they were alone (African Americans)?
GR: No, a lot of people were together
JE: Do you think they handled the situation well (blacks and whites)?
GR: Black people didn’t get anywhere before. Whites didn’t listen to blacks, but now they do.
JE: At anytime did you think it got dangerous?
GR: Yes, they had violent encounters using weapons.
JE: How long did it take before integration sunk in?
GR: Things really changed in the early 2000s. Things have changed a lot. Everyone is treated the same now
JE: How did whites treat blacks on the street?
GR: They treated them like they were nothing; badly. Now they are treated right
JE: Do you think there’s a problem today with racism?
GR: No, not for the most part.
JE: How did African Americans interact with you? (interviewee is of hispanic descent)
GR: Fine, normally. They treated me with kindness. They treated whites with the same respect.
Troy Taylor's History interview
Abstract- In this interview with my grandmother, she talks about her personal experiences with the civil rights era. She tells how she went to the March on Washington and the Emancipation Oak at the college that she went to, Hampton University.
G- "Yes I would."
T- "Okay."
G-"I was, umm coming home from Virginia. I went to school in Hampton, Virginia. And I was coming home and my art teacher was driving us; a bunch of, you know, college kids; and we stopped to get something to eat in Maryland. And we sat down at the table and the waitress came over to where the art teacher was and she told the art teacher that she could not serve us because the students were black, she was white."
T- "Mmhhm"
G- " And I remember saying that they couldn't do that and the art teacher said, 'Yes they can', so she got us up and we went out"
T- " There was nothing you could do about it?"
G- " Not then, no."
T- " Hmm"
G-" The restaurant was just one of those that would not serve black people."
T-" And what year was this in?"
G- " Well it had to be in '64 or '65, in Maryland."
T- " Another question, did you have any close encounters with any like Civil Rights' Acts like the March on Washington or like sit-ins?"
G- " I went to the March on Washington with umm the Lees' which was a family that I knew in Jersey. And they were going to the March and they asked me if I wanted to go and I said yes"
T- " Did you see anything? Anything that like surprised you?"
G- "Not that surprised me. I heard Martin Luther King when he gave his, you know, 'I had a dream', speech. And umm, that's all. I remember there being a whooooooole lot of people there. And we stayed until he finished and then we left."
T- " Where there like more white people or more black people?"
G- " More black people... I think"
T- "Did you see him or did you just hear it?"
G- " See him"
T-" You saw him? Did you have like... was it close or were you like all the way in the back?"
G- ' I was in about the middle"
T- *Clears throat* ' Umm, did race play a big part, I guess you kind of answered it, but did it play a big part in the world you grew up in when you were younger?"
G- " Not that it had any exact fallout on me. I really didn't feel it until I went to school in Virginia and in the town that the school was in, they had some ... you know, where you couldn't sit at a counter to eat. And there's a tree: there's a big tree on campus. A real big tree. And it was called the Emancipation Oak and that's where they read the Emancipation Proclamation to the black people that were down there. That wasn't when I was there but that's what the tree meant. That was the name of the tree, The Emancipation Oak,"
T- " Did you learn about, like when you went to college, did they tell you about it and stuff?"
G- " Yes. And there were books and I read the books and I read the books and I went to the ummm, there was a, ummm; over by the boys' campus, boys side of the campus, there was a cemetery. And in that cemetery, they had bodies of the, umm, people who had died in a plague. Uhh, slaves and Indians who had died of a plague, so they had a lot of children in that cemetery. But I used to go over there fairly regularly, just to check out the headstones and, you know, then I started reading about the area."
T- " Did you meet any famous Civil Rights' Activists?"
G-" No"
T- " No?"
T -" Do you have any other stories that you want to share? Anything else?"
G-"Not that I... no. I really don't think... no. I know when I would go into town, in the Hampton town, I would run into some people who I felt like didn't like me; didn't like us, but nothing in particular directly relating to me."
T- " And what college did you go to?"
G- " Hampton University. Then, it was called Hampton Institute. Now, it's called Hampton University."
T- " Well thank you very much Grami. I appreciate it."
G- " You're very welcome Troy Taylor"
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T-Troy
The great migration
Interviewee: Pearl Williams
Interviewee DOB: May 5 1954
Interviewee Ethnicity: African American
Interviewer: De'jah Williams
Abstract
I interviews my grandmother who was kind of apart of the great migration because she moved to Philadelphia at the age of 11 and She moved here from Warsaw,North Carolina. I'm this interview we talked about how slavery impacted Her as a child living in the south and the difference between North Carolina and Philadelphia. We also talked about the MLK speech and how his speech impacted us as a whole and did it change much I'm the world today.
Research
The Great Migration is the movement of 6 million African Americans out of the rural Southern United States to the urban Northeast, Midwest, and West that lasted up until the 1960s.
Sources
•http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129827444
•http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/great-migration
•http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_migration.html
Transcript
dw: What events do you remember around the time martin luther king gave his speech?
aw: what events do I.. that i remember , i don't know i as only , i was in the fourth grade when martin luther king gave his speech , so i mean i really don't remember. you have to remember now that i am 60 years old now , that was a long time ago.
dw. so you don't remember anything around the time ..
aw: when he gave his speech.
dw: and what do you actually know like where were you what was going on during the time of the speech?
aw: i was ugh… i don't know where was I, maybe ugh , i guess i wasn't at school at the time when he gave the… when did he give the speech? when you know i don't know maybe in school maybe i was in school . i remember the speech i remember when all those people went to washington you know cause i was in north carolina at the time, so i can't remember exactly where i was.
dw: Did, did any of that , that was going on affect your childhood in any way as far as segregation?
aw: yes cause ugh at that time i was in north carolina like i said and we did go to school with white children we was ugh we went to there was a black scholl and white school you know during that time
dw: okay
aw: and white people was always calling us the ‘’n’’ word back then i remember that do you want me to tell you about what i did to somebody that called me the ‘’n’’ word?
dw: sure.
aw: the was this girl that lived across the road from me and that the time it was a little road highway like and it was was me and my oldest brother wade and it was a boy and a girl they lived across the road and they had plum tree ugh i think they had a pear tree they had all kinds of fruit trees they had bates fig tree and we liked the plums and you know by them having the tree they didn't eat all them plums they be falling on the ground and sometimes they would really act.. they would stand across that road and throw plums at us instead of giving them to us.. (laughter)
dw: (laughter)
aw: letting us eat em . cause we wanted to they you know they had so many , it didn't matter to them , they actually would stand across that road and through those plums at us and call us the ‘’n’’ word and see my brother is real dark skin wade he is real dark real dark and they really use to call him black you know names, so, the, the girl had a long pony tail so when our parents wasn't around because my father and my mother use to tell us don't bother them just don't may then no mind you know but you know we was tired of them calling us names so we caught them one day , i caught that girl and i tried to beat her head in that ground i told her dont you never ever call me a nigger again and every time she would see me she run, she hall tailed in the house mmhm and …
dw: during this time did it affect your education in any way?
aw: no cause i learned what i wanted to lean anyway , if i didn't wanna do nothing in school ( laughter) no let me stop at that time yes, no it didn't affect my learning at all because during that time i had to remember the getsy bird adrees i remember that abraham lincoln gets bird adress i was in the fourth grade and i remember we all had to learn and everybody had to stand up in the class and recite the and i remember Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure, now i don't remember anything else now i you know its it comes back every now and then ugh ok now
dw: ummm… what major changes happened during the civil war and now , are there any major changes during then and now
aw: thats why they umm i think thats when we all started going to school together black and whites , i think that umm we even started to going to churches because you know we didn't go to the same church with white people you we you know we had our little black little church and they had they and you knew they ugh and you know of course, of course they churches was big and pretty we just had the little wood churches them little shakes but, we had the holy ghost now (claps) we use to get down you know cause i went to church every every sunday, bible school you know but umm it was i mean looking back at it i see that it was hard you know from our parents but when , as me being a kid it it was it wasn't bad for me you know i mean because it was the way it was the time them it was you know and thats thats how i you know thats where i lived and that's how the people was and we just played and mind our business and you know play with each other and it wasn't like i didn't have a problem with it it was the older people it was out parents that you know but umm you know like i said i don't remember a lot because i was young you know i was a kid i was just in fourth grade at that time
dw: how did you feel about discrimination , did it .. did you feel any kind of way ?
aw: umm no well yea i do remember i felt a certain way one time cause my father use to take us to the beach every summer , and one summer he took us ………...
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Oral History
Research: Bloody Sunday happened on March 7, 1965. It was blacks and protesters protesting. They only traveled six blocks before they were beaten with clubs and also tear gassed. This march was devastating. 600 marchers went east from Selma, Alabama and were going on U.S. route 80. They only made it to Edmund Pettus Bridge six blocks away.
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/civilrights/al4.htm
Interview
Me: I’m Michael Parkinson and i’m going to be interviewing my mom mom Maryann Parkinson. What was your viewpoint on race growing up?
Mom mom: We didn’t really know too many black people. Some in high school. I had one friend in high school who actually didn’t live in Roxborough. So, they were just like everybody else like other people I met.
Me: Was your neighborhood predominantly white?
Mom mom: It was all white.
Me: It was all white? Do you remember anything about the civil rights movement?
Mom mom: Not really, I was just out of high school then and starting a family so I looked at it on the news. But other than that it did not really affect me.
Me: Do you remember any groups or anything during the civil rights movement?
Mom mom: No. Just some marches down south that we were basically… up north everything seemed fine. It was just down north that they were having a problem.
Me: Did the Civil Rights Movement affect any of your friends?
Mom mom: No, like I said I really didn’t have any black friends. And my friends were just more worried about the Vietnam war more than Civil Rights.
Me: Most of your friends were white since you lived in a predominantly white neighborhood?
Mom mom: They were all white except for one black girl that I became best friends with in high school.
Me: What was it like growing up in this time period?
Mom mom: Care-free, no problems, out every night, in cars. Basically we had no problems at all back then. I didn’t anyway. Or my friends.
Me: Were there any sections of your neighborhood that were all black?
Mom mom: Well there was one section about eight blocks wide that I didn’t even know about until my one son was in his teens and he had two black friends and they said that they came from this section that was all black. And it was only about six blocks away from me and I didn’t even know it existed.
Me: Has your viewpoint on race changed in any way since you grew up?
Mom mom: Well it hasn’t changed its broadened. I don’t see difference between black and white. Maybe I would not go into some of the badder neighborhoods if I were by myself and they were all black. Thats just the way I feel.
Me: Did you grow up with anybody that was racist or didn’t like a certain group of people?
Mom mom: I did not grow up with anybody that was racist. But, there was a definite dislike of some black people by the adults in my community.
Me: So they felt that they weren’t equal to whites?
Mom mom: I don’t think they did. No. I don’t think that kids felt it but I our parents and our grandparents felt it. They weren’t equal.
Me: Was your neighborhood affected in any way by black people? They just kept to themselves?
Mom mom: None. Not at all. Yup, kept to themselves. Basically in high school I didn’t realize it then but the blacks sat with themselves and the whites sat with themselves. We actually didn’t mingle. I did have one black friend and she did sit with the white kids.
Oral History Benchmark- JT
Mr. Roy my recording isn't able to show up but I believe you have it in your mail from when Tsion sent it to you.
Abstract
Miriam Rodriguez, reflects on her experiences of being a young girl around the specific times of 1960-1975. During the time frame of the interview, she talks about how much protection was given to her from her family. Which consisted of a Mother, Father, and 9 children that were older than her. Miriam believes that because of this constant protection she was shielded from most of the segregation and discrimination that was going on around her. She also begins to talk about how she believes, most of segregation was happening because of the fear of the unknown and differences of others. She talks about how people chose to hate the things that they don’t understand and that she believes most people that didn’t fear them (African Americans ), probably grow up in a rather prejudices environment. Lastly she speaks about gangs and how her mother feared for her safety, from young black girls that were running up behind other girls ( whites and hispanics ) and cutting off their hair. She then concludes the interview by saying she would have never changed her races if given the changes to and that she loves her life the way it is.
Research
In my research, I found that most white people discriminated against black people just because they were different from them. And that this wasn’t a valid reason for discrimination against other races. Also because for many generations, white people were taught that black people are barley or not-human.
Sources
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_white_people_hate_blacks?#slide=2
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1955-1968)
Subject- Miriam Rodriguez, born February 2, 1960. Relation to interviewer is grandmother.
JC: Hello my name is Jose Colon and I’m here with..
MR: Miriam Rodriguez.
JC: And it’s, the data is um March 15, I mean May 16, 2014. It’s about five forty five pm. And I’m just going to ask you um about ten questions, a series of questions.
MR: Okay
JC: Um first question, how do you believe race has changed over the years and what does race mean to you?
MR: Well race is different naxalites, to me and as far as um. When you say race I guess people also think of prejudices, and I think it’s gotten some what better but, we still have a ways to go.
JC: hm, and um. Do you believe race has an effect on modern day society?
MR: Well that’s um, well a little bit I guess, I think I think it um, people are still holding grudges and some people are still afraid of differences and, well like I said I think it’s there to better it’s just. I dont know what to say haahaaaaaa.
JC: Um what do you recall from the civil rights movement or the effects from it.
MR: What I recall is that is um. What’s that President the tall skinny one.
JC/MR: Abraham Lincoln.
MR: Haahaaaahaaahaa Ahh, it was around the time he was president, and I think it was about freeing the slaves but I think it was, also about um other politics I can’t recall what they are right now.
JC: mm. Did you um, ever hear of like talk of Martin Luther king.
MR: Um sure.
JC: mm was it all like, was it negative or was it positive.
MR: No I just remember seeing, um he did a lot um marches and, a lot of speeches and I, I was young at the time I've heard it through more like history. Even tho it was in my history, you know in my time I was to young to be part of the march or anything but. He used to live around um Allegheny actually, he had a house around there. Around Stetson the high school. I don’t know if you remember that school or not. Back in the old neighborhood. But um, yeah.
JC: So what if any are your experiences with discrimination?
MR: I don’t believe I ever been discriminated against. Um, I was more in a time of like gangs there were a lot of gangs in my time. Zoloe gang, Waloed gang I’m sure their were other gangs but, but um.
JC: Were the gangs ever race related? Was it like a….
MR: They were probably were, I was never in a gang but they probably were race related. I was sheltered, I’m the youngest of eight children so, I was pretty much sheltered.
JC: And ah what are some of your educational experiences?
MR: Well I love school but um, I was very shy because, probably because of my speech impediment. But um I think the teachers just didn’t understand me and I camped, they camped passing me to the next grade level. So I didn’t learn how to read well and I taught myself to read actually. When I was older I think I was um, I forget how old I was but I was teaching myself how to read and I read a lot of books and thats how I learned how to read. Picking up things here and there.
JC: Have you ever felt as tho your education was being affected by your race.
MR: By what?
JC: By your race.
MR: No I think my education was affected more with my speech impediment and um being passed through grades. I don’t know if had to do with race or anything? There was a short period there where I want to a speech therapist. I enjoyed that a lot.
JC: Um has your race ever stop, wait has your race ever stopped you from doing something.
MR: No
JC: No
MR: My parents were very ahh, what do you call it um they encouraged me that, they were trying to get me out of my shell so they encouraged me a lot.
JC: When you were a child do you recall black people being tried differently or them doing anything differently at all.
MR: I don’t um, like I said I was really young, I was the youngest of eight. Um I’m sheltered. So um, I do remember ah around the time I was a young teenager there were black girls um cutting hair of people who had long hair. They would sneak up behind them and cut their hair. Um that was in the news a lot I think or in the neighborhood conversions that, that was going on. I remember my mom being scared and ah putting my hair up and all.
JC: Why do you believe some people were tried unfair?
MR: That was fear. Um I think it had to do with um fear of the not knowing and being raised by people who are pragides and it got passed on. And instead of trying to get to know someone, they um they let their fear take over I guess.
JC: If you had the option to would you change your race? And If you did would it for the better or the worse.
MR: I wouldn’t change my race.
JC: ahah
MR: I mean I enjoyed my life my parents and eight kids old then you I had a great time.
JC: Thank you.
Oral History by: Tsion Tucho
Benchmark
Oral History Report- Sulaiman Hadi
Sulaiman Abdul-Hadi
I started off with asking what his experiences were during the civil rights movements and he started by telling me stories of him in the military because during that time he was in the Navy. This is what ensued after I asked that Primary question. I started recording After I asked.
ABSTRACT
This interview is about my Grandfather’s experiences during the Civil Rights Movement and how he lived throughout that time. He was in the Navy for most of it and he was in the Military for Malcolm X’s and JFK’s assassination. He talks about what it was like to be Muslim during that time and what that meant for him. He begins to speak about what Islam is and how it explains the different scenarios between white and black people over the years. He also talks about what he thinks about people, white and black, today in today’s society.
Research
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1981/nov-dec/osur.htm
During the time by grandfather was in the navy the military was still heavily segregated but African- Americans were allowed to join and be apart of fighting for their country.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS564US564&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=when+did+jfk+die and https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS564US564&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=when%20did%20malcolm%20x%20die
My Grandfather was in the Navy during Malcolm X’s assassination as well as JFK’s. This was 1965 and 1963.
Grand Father: So anyway, as we were talking about uh, talking’ about...we used to call them muck mucks. We called the followers of elijah muhammad muck mucks and they called us spook believers. Reason we called the, muck mucks is because muck muck is a tribe in Africa that worshipped men. That worshipped human beings. So we said that you’re a muck muck. You worship a man, and they said we were spook believers because we believe in a spirit a guy in the sky so they called us spook believers [mumbles off]. But those were as I was telling you when you go back over it. Those were why my experiences wasn’t really, even though i lived in time wasn’t really with the movement or the civil rights movement or the black movement or the revolution so to speak because I was um I was a muslim, first I was in the Military but then when I came home I was a muslim. NOw when I was in the military. It was...deep. It was uh, when i was aboard ship it was 1,263 men on ship and only 63 was black
Slay: Oh wow
Grand Father: So that’ll tell ya somethin’.
Slay: What branch of the military were you in?
Grand Fater: I was in the navy, I was in the united states navy. I was in the navy right? Went to go see my sister in North Carolina. She was married to a man that was in the Marines, the marines and navy th-they worked in the same kind of a way there were marines aboard ship, aboard ships were marines. So I went down there to meet to uh spend some time with my sister, her husband was a marine like i said and one of his friends were there so he introduced me ya know, this is my brother in law and hes in the navy, right? This guy stuttered. So he looked at me and he said n-n-n-n-no wonder you j-j-j-joined the g-g-god damn n-n-n-navy. Got cha god damn boats with ya. Talkin about my feet. He said ya g-g-got ya god damn boats with ya so thats while I joined the navy and like I told ya I was only in there and i just didn’t go back [God willing] but… I think that...that the biggest thing that got me comin up with the races. I lived in a neighborhood that was at one time a jewish neighborhood because the jews still were there. but they lived in their businesses, overtop of their businesses. And my mother worked for one. It was in the cleaners. And uh his name was young, his last name was young. And my uncles, they worked for a jew. But the children, I remember one little jew boy that I played with his name was Louie. Louis Kramer was his name. We went out in the park one day, guess I was 10 or 11...maybe not that big because they moved away before I was a teenager. But anyway we was in the park playin. And you know what memorial hall is? Its now called the please touch museum.
Slay: Oh ok
Grand Father: Well out front there are these statues of a man on a horse so we was playin and we climbed up on there and he fell of and broke his back I must have been about eight nine. Something like that. Fell and broke his back. Louis Kramer was his name. I don’t know they moved away I don’t know if he died or what but i do remember that my neighborhood was like all black. and you didn’t see too much mixing ya know. Blacks with girlfriends but sammy davis junior, he married...he became a jew to marry a jew woman. So that kinda was big and then he wrote a book called yes I can and that kinda did something for the race but my personal experience man i’ve been dealing with this Islam and Islam don’t have no racism. When Malcolm X went to mecca he changed his name to malik shabazz. and he came back and he said while he was in mecca he said i saw men with the bluest of eyes and the blondest of hair bowing down with men that were as black as coal. whereas in america if you were white you were the devil and if you were black you followed elijah muhammad. And that really woke him up to the universality of the religion because it doesn’t have a your um matter of fact its more muslims i think indonesia has the most muslim population in the world. but theres more muslims, in america, theres more muslims in china then in saudi arabia even though saudi arabia is arabs and arabs is where islam started at. but when you're in arabia they have um they have arab christians because the man the prophet went to when he became a prophet was a christian he was an arab christian and he died before muhammad became a prophet because he told him he said if i am alive i'll follow you but he died before hand but he died before hand which means he died riotously as so far as allah's concern. because muhammad hadn't taken prophethood but he went to a man that was a christian that wasn't saying that jesus was the son of god because some people they were called haneth which means um. It means to be up right. there is a branch of christians in america that are called unitarians. And they believed in jesus but they don't believe that jesus was the son of god. they believe that he was um. a righteous man but they don't describe divinity to him. divinity is only for god. that why they are called unitarians. because not just jesus but they asked prophet muhammad one time how many prophets were there. and the prophet said there were 124,000 prophets and 314 of them were uh messengers so a messenger. the difference between a messenger and a prophet is that the prophet...he has divine inspiration from Allah, god almighty. to direct people to god consciousness. the messenger on the other hand, not only does he have this permission from allah god almighty but he also has divine revelation with him which comes in the form of uh. a physical form. why moses had the torah jesus had the in jail uhhhh, dude had the sods the torah of moses the injeel of jesus and the sons of david. You can find some of that in what is called the holy bible. although the holy bible is not like the Quran the Quran was revealed to one man who didn't write. Wso it was a spoken revelation. The only way to understand the Quran is that like right now. If my voice is in there when you play that back its going to be my voice so thats what the Qu'ran was. the Quran was given to muhammad so he was like the tape recorder so when you play the tape back it was really the voice who gave the revelation which was allah. So actually the Quran is really the very words of allah it just came through muhammad and just said that he would be sitting like this and the revelation would come on him. whoom. and he would go [speaking arabic] and recite arabic and then he would come out of it and that was the Quran. So if I did that this tape recorder when you played it back you would be getting my very words so it wasn't muhammad who was saying it was allah using him. so that revelation the Qur'an is the only revelation that is still like it was when they first got it. see it was given to him and it took over a period of 23 years because it was given to the prophet muhammad as he needed it. In other words as a circumstance arose he would ask him like, one time...a jewish man accused a muslim woman. so when they arrested him and brought him to the prophet they said this guy accused one of our women and the prophet said why would you do that? the man said she looked like one of our women, she didn't look no different than the person..so allah revealed a verse that says... say to your wives and your daughters and the believing women to draw their undergarments over their body when they go out when they go out which will make them recognized as righteous women and prevent them from being molested. All the women you saw out there today that were covered up like جدة [Grandmother] be or sannah [my cousin] be sometimes or Bashira [My Aunt] be sometimes you know what i mean. like that. that became a revelation a direction because somebody did something to a muslim woman all the instances that happened when um one of the companion one of the prophets friends got drunk and while he was drunk he said something to the prophet something that wasn't right. so allah revealed a verse. so listen from now on gambling and wine and games of chance are forbidden to you because there may be some benefit but the harm is greater than the benefit like people say you can drink a glass of wine a day its good for your heart you know what I mean? but to become a wino you just drink wine to get drunk so while the benefit is there the harm is greater than the benefit.
Oral History Benchmark - Tsion Tucho
Oral History Benchmark- Kiara
Abstract:
Bruce Grisham reflects back on his past experiences, how him being an African American male affected him from being able to do certain things, and also his point of view on racism and other similar topics, In this interview, Grisham talked about his past experience with segregation. He experienced segregation and discrimination when he was in the service. He talked about the things that he remembered from the civil rights movement. He also talked about how he believes that the education system was better back in the day then it is now, due to the fact that some of the students aren't taking their education serious like they should. Grisham also talked about the differences of how people were treated now and how they were treated back then. He thinks that everyone is still treated the same and that its just “camouflaged”, he believes that we really do not have “equal rights”.
Research:
One event that Grisham talked about is the bombing in Birmingham. On September 15, 1963 a bomb exploded before Sunday morning services at the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama. This church was a predominantly black and served as a meeting place for civil rights leaders. 16th Street Baptist Church was bombed by the KKK ( Ku Klux Klan). The Ku Klux Klan was a secret organization that was ran by white terrorist. The KKK was against blacks, jews, catholics, and the foreign-born. When the KKK bombed this church, they injured many and even killed 4 very young girls. The four girls names were Addie Mae Collins, Carole Robertson, Cynthia Wesley, and Denise McNair. When Grisham brought this event up in the interview, he didn't talk much about the topic. He said it was 3 girls who were killed in the bombing when it was actually 4.
Soures:
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/birmingham-church-bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing
KN- Hello, how are you?
BG- Oh great, how bout’ yourself?
KN-Im doing fine. I have a few questions to ask you about for my oral history interview.. is that okay?
BG- Yes.
KN - Okay so, the first question is what's your earliest memory of segregation?
BG- Well my earliest recollection was when i was in the service. I probably even had it before then but it really hit me when i was in Plasby Mississippi (i wasn't sure of how to spell it). And I was in the end of that first phase of training and i was on my way to Germany. But i was gonna have a lead in the interroom. But i had to take a bus from umm Plasby Mississippi to Malone Alabama. And then from Malone Alabama to the airport, and so bc i didn't know exactly the schedules of the local transportation to get me there, i thought it will be wise to skip breakfast. So that i could be sure to get to Malone on time so how ever long it took for me to wait for the bus, ill just wait. But then i said i maybe needed to get something to eat right there in Malone. Well, i had a rude awaking. Here i was standing tall in uniform, and the restaurant refused to serve me. And i said, i said “lady i'm in uniform and you can't serve me breakfast?” She said “not so much as i can personally cant, its the establishment here.” They don't serve, you know colored people. She said “ I can take you in the back and serve you” but then i said “ugh well its okay, thank you.” I picked up… well back in that time, there was a pack of ugh.. Ritz crackers for a nickel. So i picked up a pack of Ritz crackers for a nickel and put the nickel on the counter and then walked out. And thats when it really hit me of what segregation was all about. Because even though my family is of southern background, people in my generation on up, we were all born up north. We had no experiences of whatsoever about the south. But that was mine.
KN- Well okay, well the second question is how did you feel about segregation?
BG- How do i feel about segregation?
KN- Or how do you feel about segregation … like how did you feel back in the day and how do you feel now? (Both basically)
BG- Well.. Well, the more educated i became.. the more i resented it. And umm i don't feel it has been cured here in the United States. When i was in the service, i was better received by foreigners. Now they had prejudice there too for black people, even in foreign countries. Ill give you a typical example, when i was in Japan, I went into one of the ugh… let me see what did they call it.. Well basically one of the cafes, so you better understand what i am talking about. So when i walked in, (me coughing) one of the patriots walked out.. got up and walked out. And ugh… and so i turned around and i started to walk out to leave and the other patriots told me no no no don’t go. To make a long story short, they said he just.. he just thinks wrong. We want you here, we want you here. And ugh i said thank you, i appreciate it. And they served me, you know the beer.. they sat down and talked to me and everything. So its not only here in the United States believe me its all over the world. Its just more so in some places than others.
KN- Okay.. umm how old were you when the.. civil rights movement
started?
BG- I was in my 20’s. I dont know when it exactly started (laughter), but it started maybe when i was in elementary school. But the ugh real.. well not the real, but the civil rights movement more involved my generation.. like the late 50’s and the 60’s and all that.. See i was in my 20’s at that time and i was in the service, my political activities were very limited and restricted. To the best of my knowledge, the only real political activity that we could participate in is voting. Now we could vote but not take part of any outside political activity.
KN- Umm what do you remember from the civil rights movement?
BG- What do i remember from it?
KN- Yeah, like what comes to the top of your head when you think of the civil rights movement.
BG- I remember MLK being assassinated, the young girls in ugh birmingham being bombed.. When they had the bombing in birmingham they killed the 3 ugh black girls (me coughing) and the ugh marching and all. When they had the march on washington.. they had marchings in Alabama as well and a whole lot of other places. I mean even though we weren't allowed to participate, we definitely could read. (laughter)
KN- Umm how was the education system for African Americans back in the day?
BG- (pause) Ill be honest. Do you want to know the honest answer to that?
KN- Yes.
BG- It was better than it is today.
KN- You think so?
BG- Yeah. from what i see today from the results of the students. Yeah, my buddies and i use to walk to school together. We use to say… we used to speak about how our offspring are gonna have a much better education than we did because.. (then what we were getting at the time) we were getting a much better education (cough) then our parents. And umm we said just imagine what it would be like for them! And it looks like it backwards.. its working backwards. I am really disgusted at the… at the.. the way the gangs that are proliferating. You would think ugh as it used to be, well they don't have the opportunity for education. I don't except that anymore. (me saying thats not an excuse anymore) No, no they have all kinds of.. the students now today have all kinds of opportunities for education, or to at least strive for an education (me agreeing) but some choose not to, see its a matter of choice and that ugh discourages me… well makes me very disappointed, ill put it that way. Because i was expecting so much more from ugh.. the generation after us. And it just looks like everything went backwards.
KN- How do you feel when people discriminate?
BG- How do i feel when people discriminate?
KN- Mmh.
BG- I dont feel good, i feel hurt! And umm but once again you have to think about peoples background as well. Ill give you a case and point, when i was in the service. I met a lot of southern fellas, who came to me and actually admitted that they were taught to discriminate!
And some of them actually never seen (we were called colored) actually never seen a black man until they got on different means of transportation in order to come into the service. And so ugh its disheartening, and ugh its a crime chain that one human imposes such ugh demeaning characteristics on one human being. (me coughing) And yet and still they preached… well some of them, not all of them. Preached at so called christian way of living
and ugh it makes me you know, give situations like that some very serious thoughts...Very serious.
KN- (me getting the sentences mixed up) What’s the difference of how people were treated now and how they were treated back then?
BG- What's the difference?
KN- Yeah.
BG- Its still camouflage. Its still more protensus… And now some people might feel.. Well i don't think of it that way, rather they don't think of it that way. Well maybe for their present environment its not. I mean i have ugh ugh met caucasian people and people of other ethnicity and races and what have you. And gotten along with them very well..matter fact gotten along with them better than i do my own family. But that doesn't mean thats the way its gonna be in other parts of the world. So, you just can't put yourself in an enclosed environment and think that its alright. Thats not the reality of it.
KN-Did you ever experience any racism? If so how did it make you feel?
BG- We kinda expressed that earlier, didn't we? How i experienced racism and how did it make me feel? Well it made me feel hurt! Thats for sure, and it made me feel like i was dealing with an ignorant person. But ugh ugh, thats just something that you can not legislate. You can not legislate how they feel and their culture and how they think. Theres no law in the world that could cure that.
KN- Are you happy that we now have equal rights?
BG- (pause) I question that… our rights seemed to have improved. But ugh you see more black people on tv now than other. Now i don't know if its because president Obama has been elected as a black man.. Not as a black man because hes a black man. I do know that its a certain quotients that certain businesses have to maintain, that still exists. And i myself had the chance to take advantage in that, in certain jobs that i had. They needed someone black at the time and i happen to fit the bill. Not so much because ugh… To make a long story short of other selective criteria. But they needed someone black and they thought i would workout fine. So therefore i was in that right place at the right time and thats how it was with a lot of people in my generation. See they don't actually ugh select you on your true moral character, its just that they need someone at that time to satisfy quota “fine if you dont, its still fine they’ll get another” (laughter)
KN- Umm did anything ever happen to you that changed your point of view about race and racism?
BG- Now what do you mean by change my point of view?
KN- Like say if you thought about racism a different way before this situation happen.
BG- Oh. No. Because as i stated before, you can not legislate that and you can't ugh legislate people's upbringing. Because as long as its being taught, okay.. its gonna be perpetuated.
KN- I agree...How do you feel about other races?
BG- (me coughing again) Fine. I believe in treating people as God meant for us to treat them. You suppose to love your neighbor. You can't love your neighbor if you hate your neighbor. You can't love your neighbor if your prejudice against your neighbor. (me saying i agree) Because i had the opportunity to work ugh ugh ugh… well fortunately over 8 ½ years, i spent better 6 ½ years overseas. So i was very fortunate to be able to get an excellent education as far as dealing with people and mixing with people.
KN- Okay umm do you believe that racism still exist today ?
BG- Definitely. It definitely exists. As long as people have the minds that they do to continue to teach it, to continue to have ugh hate groups.. well thats what i call them.. Hate groups and continue to instill in their children that they’re so superior and all. (me coughing) Its going to continue to exists.. there is no if’s, and’s or buts about it.
KN- Do you believe that racism is still one of the major problems that society has today?
BG- Definitely. It definitely is and its gonna continue to be a major problem.. Until people themselves change. Thats what its about. Once people themselves change as generations you know come about, hopefully that happens. Because it is a little better than when i came a long but ugh, its a very slow analyzing process.
KN- Okay, well thank you for your time. That was the last question.
BG- You’re Welcome.
Oral History Report- David Baker
Abstract:
I Interviewed Larry, he is my grand father, he told me all about his perspective on the Civil Rights Movement. He talked about the riots and marches and that is what I did my research on.
Research:
During the Civil Rights movement African Americans did many thing to get their points across one famous march was named Bloody Sunday because 600 marchers were killed and beaten on the streets. The march was held on March 7, 1967. The 600 protesters marched down the streets only to be beaten and killed my local police and government officers.
Me: Were you affected by the Civil Rights Movement? If so how?
Larry: I was probably affected by the Civil Rights movement by making me more aware of others opinions and other viewpoints, When I grew up I was real young about six or eight if I was walking on the street and there was a black person walking the other way I was told “stay on the sidewalk” they have to move.
Me: What school did you go to growing up?
Larry: I went to six schools in grade school, each one was fairly different they were city schools, one private school.
Me: Did the movement affect your schooling?
Larry: I'm not sure in my early schooling, i'm not aware of what affected that, other than the time when I was really young going through school, probably caught my attention, and made me think worse about blacks. In other cases it gave me more understanding of the growth process going through both.
Me: What did you learn about the civil rights movement in school?
Larry: Funny you asked that because i'm not sure at that time, I don't recall them ever talking about that, it was more after I was out of high school,and actually in the work place. During that period, so for me I didn't start being affected by it directly until 1967.
Me: Was your family affected by the movement?
Larry: I’m not sure affected, my mother was pretty racist and because I was of course under her, you know living with her, I was told a lot of things by her, I experienced a lot of things myself, I don't know as far as work, play, jobs, school, theres nothing I can think of, that I am aware of was directly affected by the civil rights movement, other than watching it on the n news and hearing it, thing we're going on going on in the south and so forth.
Me: Where did you grow up?
Larry: Borden Ohio, raised in Alaska for a while, mostly Philadelphia.
Me: What memories do you have of the civil rights movement?
Larry: Most of the memories I have are things that you will see on TV, and history shows now, the fights, the fires, the riots, the marches, seeing them on TV, not really personally being near them, but seeing what was reported on TV and what people talked about.
Me: What was your outlook on the civil rights movement?
Larry: I kind of understood why they were angry and upset, and why it was happening, when you're a kid you are told certain things you don't necessarily question them until later on, it was a little frightening, somewhat puzzling, until I was older I didn't really have a full appreciation of what was going on. Being in the north not in the south, I suppose I do recall that the blacks were supposed to sit in the back of the bus, and whites were supposed to get preference, I got a better understanding as I got older.
Me: Do you have a different outlook on today's world because of the movement?
Larry: I would imagine most people do, if it wasn't for civil rights movement and things changing as they were, I suppose I would have no reason to think that if I walked down the sidewalk I shouldn't be in the middle, and blacks should walk around me, and I probably wouldn't have a more open attitude that I have now, I don't feel that I am racist or judgmental in particular, because I know a lot of people of different races, and had a lot of friends just as many colored as not, and probably the civil rights movement helped open it up.
Me: Did you ever fight for equality?
Larry: I definitely fought for equality not necessarily, as a matter of color, but there is a lot of unequal things that go on and a lot of equality issues that go on throughout life, or somethings unfair, if someone is being judge wrong that sort of thing, I was never in a match per say, I was never in a riot fortunately, so i'm not so sure what they are looking for in that answer, other than I didn't go on buses or marches.
Oral History- D. Angelis
Interviewer: Dina Angelis
Interviewee: Gerald Rigby (Gerry)
DOB: November 28, 1945
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Social Status: Married
Race: Caucasian
Occupation: Lawyer
Time and date interview was held: 1:30pm on May 18,2014
Time length:6 minutes and 59 seconds
Dina: How are you Gerry?
Gerry: Hmm?
Dina: How are you?
Gerry: I’m swell, thank you.
Dina: Okay. So, where were you born, like the state?
Gerry: Pennsylvania.
Dina: Pennsylvania, ummm…
Gerry: In Johnstown, Pennsylvania, Very famous for its floods.
Dina: Have you ever experienced discrimination, towards another race?
Gerry: Have I experienced, well I have certainly seen it, heard it. Sure.
Dina: Do you want to tell me about that?
Gerry: Uh, I-I-I grew up in Montana, and in Montana there was, that I knew of, there was one-one black guy and he was the shoe shine guy where I went and got my hair cut. So, I thought he was a regular guy. The kinds of discrimination that we had in Montana was against the Indians. The Indians lived under reservation outside of town, and some of them would come into town and they would get drunk and then they would get picked up and get thrown in jail overnight, until they sobered up and then they would be let out in the morning, and what I was told was that when they were let out in the morning, the rule was that the government had to give them another 20 dollars. Which of course they would use to just drink more, so that. When I was growing up the Indians were clearly discriminated against, they were all living on a reservation. Buildings that Had been built, I guess by the government ummm, that looked more like shacks then like houses and the perception of Indians was that, they were useless and that the government was set up in a way that was encouraging that kind of behavior to continue. So, that was my, probably my first exposure to uh, to discrimination and uh, just listening to parents talking, you could, the other group that uh was disliked just because of who they were rather than thinking of people as people were Jews. Jews were somehow evil, I didn’t know really much, I don’t even know if there was a Jewish community and I was in a town of 10,000 people.
Dina: mmhmm
Gerry: But uh, then I moved east, when I was in high school and uh there was you know certainly discrimination uh against, against blacks.
Dina: mmmhhmm
Gerry: African Americans in uh first in Baltimore and uh certainly here in Philadelphia but uh.
Dina: So, in your high school was there like a fair amount of each race or was it just..?
Gerry: I went to high school in suburban Baltimore uh and the school had like, a big school had like, 2,000 people in it. And uh we had very very few uh non caucasians. Yeah, almost everyone was caucasian. So, no there wasn’t, it didn’t have a real sense of racial discrimination as oppose to ethnic discrimination, which obviously also exists.
Dina: mmmhhmm
Gerry: All over the place. But uh no not in high school.
Dina: So, if you were a different race, like you said Indians were being discriminated where you grew up or a colored person. (African American) What would you have done if you were being discriminated? Like how would you feel?
Gerry: I don’t know, I’ll-I’ll uh I-I-I now, I used to live in a different section of Philadelphia that’s fairly well integrated and one of the uh I don’t know all of the story well one of the people who lived not too far away ummm is a judge, he happened to be a black judge and he had been out it was on a weekend he had been out driving and he has some pretty flashy dresser but uh and when he came home for some reason the police were coming over and he immediately took off his flashy clothes and put on a suit jacket because he knew he would be received differently if he dressed like, more like the white guys, than like the black guys. But I think that you know some people as the recipients of racism, some people adjust and some people don’t.
Dina: So, how do you feel about like, what is your opinion on discrimination and/or the civil rights movement?
Gerry: Well, I sort of, I was a young person when the civil rights movement in the 60s you know actually worked and uh accomplished a great deal and a bunch of people getting killed in the process and you had no government officials you know like the governor of Arkansas was saying, I’m never going to let a black person into my state college uh and all of those barriers broke down but until the 60s you know there was all kinds of discriminatory barriers we (Him and his family) have you know, friends and growing up when they went to the movies they had to go in a side door and go up into the balcony because blacks weren’t allowed in the main floor.
Dina: mmhmm
Gerry: So even in m y generation a lot of people grew up with over discrimination but I guess, I don’t guess I clearly didn’t grow up thinking I should discriminate or act or want to discriminate against either a race or an ethnic group, ummm so I was certainly enthusiastically in favor of all that was happening in the 60s in order to change the system so, but...Oral History Benchmark - Eva
Abstract
In this interview, Frank Sandoval talks about his experiences around race and segregation while growing up and the changes he has seen in society over the years of becoming an adult. Sandoval gives you an inside look on his views on society today and how it has changed. You will get an inside look on his opinions and experiences surrounding race and society.
Research
The 1960’s was a huge turning point for blacks in the southern half of the United States. After slavery had come to an end, blacks were still discriminated against and denied basic human rights. The 60’s was when blacks finally overturned Jim Crow and gained equality. The 60’s and 70’s was also the Vietnam War. Blacks had fought for America in many wars hoping that there service will bring blacks at home equality. Unfortunately, there wishes were not granted. After WWll, blacks came home to see segregation and Jim Crow still occurring. The Vietnam war showed the most African-American involvement than any other American fought war. After the war, several African-Americans became generals, but before that, there was not many and there would not be a lot of blacks on army bases for generals.
Sources:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/s_z/stevens/africanamer.htm
http://www.americansc.org.uk/Online/Vietnam_Civil_Rights.htm
Transcript
Interview with my father, Frank Sandoval.
Eva: Im Eva Sandoval and today i’m interviewing Frank Sandoval on May 18, 2014 at 8:37pm. So Frank, How are you feeling?
Frank: I’m feeling pretty good
Eva: If you don’t mind me asking, when were you born?
Frank: I was born on April 12, in 1960
Eva: Where was your birth place?
Frank: I was born in West Point, New York
Eva: Have you ever lived in the South?
Frank: You know, I have never lived in the South. I have lived in lots a places, more than most people I think but never in the South.
Eva: When you were growing up, if you remember, what was your opinion on other races?
Frank: I think when I was a kid I didn't have much of an opinion. When I grew up, I wasn't exposed to a great deal of diversity but when I knew people of different backgrounds, they were my friends just like anybody else.
Eva: Has your opinion changed over the years?
Frank: My opinion of other races….? I don't really think so, not generally, I learned a lot more about peoples backgrounds and a history, so I know more, but I guess I don't think my ideas have changed
Eva: Have you faced any challenges from being a white male?
Frank: Well, life is challenging for pretty much everybody on the planet and I feel like I face my own just as a responsible working adult but I can't think of particular challenges because of the type of person I am
Eva: In what ways have you benefited from being white?
Frank: Well..you know, thats sort of an invisible thing. From what I know of the world or think I know of the world, it seems to me that I had not faced any particular obstacles that may people from other backgrounds have faced, You know whether it’s somebody with a different accent or just a different background. So I think I benefited almost invisibly
Eva: How about from being a male?
Frank: Well again, I think that its all almost invisible to me. You know, I have my own struggles as like everybody but I can only assume that in my profession, I have a certain amount of automatic credibility by being the type of person I am.
Eva: What is your thoughts on society today when it comes to race?
Frank: Well from what I can tell, we have a long ways to go. I still think that theres pretty obviously some groups of people that are quite disadvantaged in our society and I think that there are lots of different reasons for that. I think many people are open to having a much more equal world but theres other seemingly forces that play from keeping that from happening.
Eva: What changes have you seen in society when it comes to race since growing up?
Frank: Well I grew up a little bit after really open racist policies against various groups of people and so in my personal experience, not someone who's grown up or spent a lot of time in diverse circumstances, you know in my personal experience I haven't seen massive changes but I think in society as a whole, we can point to changes. For example, Having a black president elected I think a couple of decades ago, that would have been almost impossible it seems.
Eva: How about in education?
Frank: In my experience, I don't really know I mean in my workplace for instance, I've seen a huge influx of Indian workers, people who grew up and educated in India and have immigrated to the United States and now work in the software professions. So thats something that i've witnessed in the past ten or so years. But I guess in education in general, I haven't personally seen any changes
Eva: Do you believe that we still have segregation?
Frank: Oh I think very definitely, yes. I mean you can just get in your car and drive around different parts of any city in the country and see that theres differently some groups of people that aren't living as equally as others
Eva: What types of segregation have you personally seen?
Frank: Well segregation in terms of socio economic stratification and…..
Eva: Um…. Segregation in general
Frank: Yea so I think that people of different backgrounds are generally segregated into different neighborhoods in the ways schools are funded in this country. You know…. If you're in a neighborhood of predominantly working class families, their schools don't get a lot of money which means there kids don't get as good of an education. Where as if you go to neighborhoods were people are much more well paid, they have better schools and their children tend to have better education. And so just that whole way of funding the schools doesn't seem very fair.
Eva: Do you think that people are more open minded about other races now then when you were growing up?
Frank: Well…..I would think so, yea I think so like I mean this is sort of just second hand, you know… I grew up not to far distant where racism was very very open and know, you know it very much frowned upon, if people think those thoughts there very much marginalized. So even the effects of racism are still obvious, I don’t think its quite as blatant as it use to be
Eva: Thank you very much, I really appreciate you talking with me today
Frank: Thank you very much.Interview with an American Air Force vet.
- http://www.blackpast.org/aah/million-man-march-1995
- http://newsone.com/2062043/million-man-march/
- http://www.biography.com/people/rodney-king-9542141#awesm=~oFqwormE6Vt1he
- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lapd/race/king.html
ZZ: “How’s your day, Mr.Perrone?”
CP: “Okay.”
ZZ: “I’m just gonna ask you a few questions, okay?”
CP: “Okay.”
ZZ: “What do you see the role of race in society?”
CP: “I see the role of race acts as a barrier that keep the from working together better.”
ZZ: “What did race mean to you growing up?”
CP: “Growing up, I was taught, there was a lot of stereotypes, but as i grew older I’ve found out they were untrue and I believe no one should be racist.”
ZZ: “Oh..”
ZZ: “How did the concept of race differ between the countries you’ve “visited” while in the Air Force?”
CP: “Well. Being born in America you’re exposed to every race pretty much in the world, but when you travel to other countries it’s more populated by one race and there’s usually small pockets of people (foreigners) from other countries and they stood out more than in America.”
ZZ: (Muffled) “Interesting.”
ZZ: “What’s by far the most racist countries you’ve “visited”?”
CP: “I would say Turkey, and Egypt. I would say it was race and religion driven.”
ZZ: “Can you give me some details?”
CP: “I would say it was more or less not that you’re the race they were “against” when you were there they were more or less you’re anti their religion (You were against their religion), so they didn’t like you for mainly that reason.”
ZZ: (Muffled) “Huh…”
ZZ: “Did your concept of race change as you travel around the world as a military personnel?”
CP: Yes. My concept changed because I got to see all faces of the world and it shows better not to see race and live among everybody in harmony.
ZZ: (Muffled) Interesting.
ZZ: “Did you experience any civil rights movements during your lifetime?”
CP: “Yes, I lived through the “million-man march”, and I also.. um.. was growing up during the Rodney King incident.”
ZZ: “How old were you?”
CP: “I was in highschool during both events.”
ZZ: (Muffled) “Huh..”
ZZ: “Were you anyway affected by these movements?”
CP: “Yes, the race-riots affected a lot of commerce for about a week. And a lot of infrastructure -and houses were burned and businesses were broken into and looted.”
ZZ: (Muffled) “Huh..”
ZZ: “Did you have any experiences with the Ku Klux Klan?”
CP: “Yes. I was stationed down in South Carolina, and I happened to accidentally date a one of the members nieces, and from being from Italy my family, um , they do not see white people. They see, um, Caucasian in the only race so even if you’re white and Italian, or Spanish, you’re still, uh, not like by them.”
ZZ:(Muffled)(Sick): “Huh.. I never knew that..”
ZZ: “How did the Klansmen treat you?”
CP: “Since they knew I was not “white” and they consider Italian not white, they told me to turn around and do not come back here ever again.”
ZZ: (Muffled-Muffled): “Huh.”
ZZ: “Has your encounter with the Klan changed your concept of race?”
CP: “Yes, it makes me feel sorry for the people who has to deal with racism and I wish it would go away.”
ZZ: “Alright, thank you for your time Mr. Perrone.”
CP: “You’re welcome.”