"EVERY MAN WILL BE EQUAL", "Is all I can remember"

​Reasearch:

One topic that my grandmom kept on discussing was the fact that she was not able to go and eat with white people and resturaunts were segregated. I didnt find this that interesting but she did so we continued to talk about. She expressed to me how when someone would come in town they would hang the hotdogs outside of the window? Im not sure how accurate that is, but she felt strongly about it.

In comparision to the research I did based on it it sounds about right some sources I used were

Sources:

http://www.readingnaacp.org/book_justice_segregation.html

http://find.galegroup.com/gic/infomark.do?&idigest=fb720fd31d9036c1ed2d1f3a0500fcc2&type=retrieve&tabID=T001&prodId=GIC&docId=CX2831400031&sourc

http://www.crmvet.org/images/imgcoll.htm


Abstract:
Shirley will look back over some of the rough things she went through and be very hesitant to speak on them she was kinda indenial and really didnt want to go into to detail she believed that she was given a great education and that she did great in life, when she moved uo north. I know that there were a-lot of gruesome detail’s that she could have recognized but she explains after the interview that she really couldnt bring her mind to that place. She describes how the bathrooms were arranged and how life itself was.

Transcript:

JT: Good Afternoon Shirley how are you doing this afternoon

SB: Fine.

JT:Okay umm where did you live when the civil rights movement was going on?

SB;  During the civil rights movement I was living in North Philly

JT: Ok umm So how did it affect you as a child, didnt you live in Virgina as a child?

SB; Yes

JT; So how old where you when you moved up here?

SB: 19

JT; So how was racism in Virgina? if you can remember

SB: Well uhh you couldnt go the bathroom that the white people were going to You couldnt go to the regular resturaunts there was a special side for you to go into to. Like if you were in town they would hang your hot dogs out the window You couldnt go to the same water fountains they went to.

JT: And how did that make you feel?

SB: It really didnt bother me

JT: So you were okay with being treated not equal?

SB: Not really

JT; So when you moved to North Philadelphia did anything change?

SB: Somewhat

JT: Was it the same?

SB; No because you could go to the same restroom as the white people did

JT: When you were living in Virgina how was the education system down there?

SB: Well it was great

JT; So you were able to get a good education despite everything that was going on with racism and the civil rights movement.

SB; Well the white people had their school to go to and we had our own school.

JT:Well when you moved to North Philadelphia did you continue getting an education or did you just start working like what was your game plan when you left Virgina

SB; Well I attended Night School uhh I took up clerker work then I went to cashier trainer school and then I went to work

JT; Out of everything that was going on at that time what is the worst thing that you remeber happening to you or the people around you

SB: When we couldnt go sit down and eat in resturaunts

JT; Yeah and what did you to try an change things if anything?

SB; Well at that time I really didnt do anything.

JT; Right becuase it was hard, do you remeber anything specific about MLK Jr or the speeches that he made?

SB: I remember the speech he made called I have a dream

JT; What do you remember from that speech

SB; He said that every man would be equal

JT; Where you ever scared down in Virgina or in North Philly to do something not really knowing what would happen and not knowing where you’d end up?

SB: No

JT; Well thats all for today Thank you

SB; You are welcome.



History Interview

Race Interview

Abstract

My good friend Kia Holloway, tells about her experiences with dealing with racism during the sixties and how opinions on race have changed. She explains how most people dealt with race when she was a young child and how she would handle these types of situations now. She gives insight on the ideas and thoughts behind racism and how many African American felt and dealt with this discrimination.


Research

Many people were afraid to speak up against discrimination based on race. Scared either to be assaulted or thrown in jail. Many figures such as Martin Luther King Jr had difficulty finding people to stand up against these problems. King found ways to convince people to stand with him. He did so by both making speeches and by going to jail himself to prove that the cause was worth the punishment.


Sources

http://1960sracism.blogspot.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm



Interview

RS: Hi, I’m gonna start by asking you your date of birth.

KH: My date of birth is November 5, 1959.

RY: Okay, and in our experience what are the major changes in the way people talk about race from the 1960s to now?

KH: Now they talk about race as if it was a fad, um and that its going to change just because someone is talking about it more. Now it is more socially acceptable to speak about the subject of racism and to verbally express out loud to social media or to anybody who will listen.

RS: Okay so back in the sixties for a white person to say the N word it wasn't as big of a deal as it would be now, right?

KH: I would have to say that it was a big deal, as equally a big deal then and now. However, its increased in size and venom.

RS: And have you ever found yourself judging people based on race?

KH: Yes

RS: Could you give an example of a time when you found yourself doing that?

KH: All the time.

RS: All the time, do you think, like when you first meet a person that it happens more often or do you find yourself doing it with people that you know. Like you’re more friend with,  that you know  about their life and their experiences?

KH: I would have to say that it happens on a more general basis, because I think its different levels to racism even though, or being a racist or using the word. For me, I'll have to say that it's the blatant racism, then there’s stereotypes and then there are tendencies. And so for me its not a racist where I wouldn't talk to somebody or I would treat them negatively because of our small race skin color differences. Mine would be more stereotypes and tendences, because it just happens to be a cultural item or thing.

RS: Difference?

KH: Difference!

RS: Instead of skin differences more of cultural...

KH: Because most stereotypes are actual truths in general. Good or bad.

RS: And I'm sure that you've witnessed someone being treated unfairly based on their race, especially in the sixties.

KH: Yes I have.

RS: And how did you react to that and how would you react to it now?

KH: In the sixties when witnessing the or experience something racist towards me it was that you just keep quiet, keep ur head down, and just accept it for what it is. There’s nothing you could do about it, except keep quiet and make it to the next thing.

RS: And what about now?

KH: Ask me the question again.

RS: How would you react now if you were treated unfairly or if you saw someone being treated unfairly based on their skin color? How would you react now?

KH: If I was being treated that way, based on the type of person I am, I would use a term considered a source, shrug my shoulders, and basically keep it moven.

RS: Uh-huh.

KH: If it affected my children or my money, then I would go about it diplomatically, but completely, as far as speaking up, out, and against it.

RS: And has anybody you've ever been close to ever made you rethink your opinions on race or has actually changed your opinions on race? And what is your current opinion on race, as far as how people are being treated and how you treat people and how people were treated?

KH: Yea, that was like 20 questions. Imma need you to narrow that down.

RS: Okay, has anyone ever changed your opinion on racism?

KH: I can’t say that anyone has changed my opinion on racism, because I've never really had an opinion. My view of racism was minimal, extremely minimal, compared to others. I empathize, I realize the struggle continues, however it’s not as prevalent in my life as to people in my community.

RS: And has race ever stopped you from reaching a goal?

KH: No?

(Audiotape stops recording)

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”My Time During the civil Rights Movement”

Research: My research was based off of my interviewee response that today the world is still some what segregated. Research shows that other people think the world is still segregated today to it just not a visible or as direct as it was back then. People feel like segregation should not determine our future but all this change that we worked for in the past segregation still became our future people just found a “legal way to get around it.


Sources: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/04/segregation-now/359813/

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/18/304194508/six-words-segregation-should-not-determine-our-future

http://dev.law.fsu.edu/journals/landuse/Vol141/seit.htm




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Date: May 16th, 2014


Interviewee: Calvin William Cooper


Interviewee occupation: veteran


Interviewee DOB: August 30,1951


Interviewee ethnicity: African American


Interviewer: Aaliyah Cooper



Abstract:

Calvin  grew up in Philadelphia. As a child he didn't really experience any segregation or discrimination. In 2014, Calvin still believes that there is still some segregation and discrimination today. He believes that there is always going to be some segregation or discrimination but he will never give up on hope. He also believes that no matter how many years go by blacks will never be treated as an complete equal to a white  person.


Transcript:

Aaliyah Cooper (AC): Mr.Cooper, What do you remember about the Civil Rights Movement?

Calvin Cooper (CC):Well what i remember about the Civil Rights movement at the time, It was a big step for the blacks at this time because the black was really being mistreated ,We didn't have no equal rights or anything and the movement started an, umm how would i say it started  a whole new error for the black people for them to be able to be equal to the whites.

AC: Okay, and being so young, How did you cope with all the discrimination and segregation?

CC: Well basically during my time which was the 50s,i really didnt face a lot of discrimination because i wasn't born in the south, i always been a Philadelphia young man but i have heard about discrimination that the blacks were going through because my mother's people came from down south, Richman and North Carolina  and stuff like that and she would tell me about the struggles and discrimination that they couldn't use the bathroom, they couldn't ride the bus ,it was a whole lot but i never really had to deal with any of it.

AC: Do you know of any other leaders that don't really get talked about, but made a difference?

CC: Only one that never really got talked about and i can't really say particle one person was a leader,but the Black Panthers, they had a lot to do with the black movement too,but they never really got notice because they were always thought of as a militant group,but they did a lot for the blacks

AC: How was it growing up back then?

CC: umm,like i said it was okay growing up back then because i never really faced,um racial problems like the people,the blacks down south. I'm a philadelphian man and i never really faced that discrimination like that.

AC: Between now and then what are some things you wished have changed and what are some things that you wish haven't changed?

CC:  Well the only thing i wish that have changed that people say that we are equal to the white folks now but were not really we still have a long way to go, umm but the thing that i  would say, that i wish would change, i wish that the black people of this generation get a better chance at making their self, Mix in with the corporate world so they can start, you know,their own umm their own generation

AC: Okay and do you feel like in some ways the community is still segregated today,and if so can you tell me why you feel that way?

CC:Yes i do,i feel as though its still segregated in some areas and even in,even in philadelphia its segregation here even though it's hidden well but yes its  segregation still here, umm you won't see it because its not as dormit its not where you can see it but its there.

AC: Do you ever lose hope that things will get better?

CC:  No i never lose hope on that, things always getting better we have a black president

AC: Did you wish for anything during the Civil Rights movement , like did you wish that certain things didn't happen or,certain people survived things like that?

CC: I wish that MLK did not get assassinated when he did because i believe if he was still here today,if he would have continued to live he  would've made a great,great leader for the black race.

Oral History: Dashawn M. Inniss

Abstract:

The women that Dashawn Inniss interviewed was his second cousin’s wife. Dashawn asked her around 12 question about her point of view during the Civil Right Movement and this is a short summary of what she stated. Coney McIntosh was born in Philadelphia and is currently 55 year old. She have many experiences in life because of the actions of segregation that affects many people in that time even though she was 7 at the time. Her parents were hard workers, her mother worked while her father tried to help with the movement by working with Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and even the black panthers. The actions of her father cause her to be taken and placed in foster care from the age of 5 to 13. Being taken away made her both stronger and angry at the world for putting her through this mess. He moved from foster care to foster care until she was placed in this one household that treated and cared for her like their own child even though they were white and she was black. Over the years she kept pushing forward even though many others cursed her for her skin color, but she didn't care. Education was hard to get,but she got hers; because she kept fighting. Coney is a proud black woman that is proud of the changes such as being able to vote, share restaurants, and so on. She is also proud and happy for all the people that fought for her freedom such as Rosa Park, Eli Whitney, and many other people. Nevertheless, her mother and great grand mother were born in the South but migrated to the North. Her great grandmother was a slave, and her mother believed that Philadelphia is a better place to live. Coney hard a long hard life but believe it was all worth it because it’s all better now; she have children, grandchildren, and a good job all because of determination and change.



Research:


During the interview with Coney, she mentioned that her father worked with Martin Luther King with the movement and was part of the Black Panthers as well. She said her father went out each day to help and stand up for minorities because they were afraid or wasn't able to do it themselves. Although her dad went out to fight she was placed in foster care for this; the government made excuses to take her away stating not because of her father which was a lie.

Based on history, the Black Panthers was believed to be a rebellion organization similar to the KKK except they stood for black people.I say this because they had no problem using violence to be heard, and because they believed that Dr. Kings nonviolence movement wouldn't work and would take too long so they had to put this situation in their own hand. The Black Panther Party was created for Self-Defense by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale to protect minority communities against the U.S. government. The BPP was inspired after the Black Power movement and U.S. politics. Black Panther Party became an icon of the counterculture of the 1960s. The Panthers had many interactions with to police/FBI such as protest, shootouts, and many other situations; now I understand why Coney had been taken away from her family based on her father's actions and involvement with the Black Panthers Party.

Coney’s Father was also involved with Martin Luther King’s movement. The movement was based on ensuring that the rights of all people are equally protected by the law, including the rights of minorities.This was created because the US was being hypocritical with it’s laws towards minorities. In order for their point to be heard and seen, thousands of people including Coney’s father marched, protest, and boycott for everyone in the US to be equal and live happily.



Sources


Black Panthers Party:




Martin Luther King:




Transcript


Interview with Coney McIntosh

May 17, 2014



Dashawn: Today is May 17, 2014, and I’m interviewing.


Coney: Coney McIntosh.


Dashawn: My cousin, and were checking out her point of view of how the, of how she survived through the civil rights movement. Now my first question was, well my first question is when were you born?


Coney: April 1959.


Dashawn: And how old are you now?


Coney: 55


Dashawn: Okay, so uh where were you born?


Coney: Philadelphia.


Dashawn: Uh how was life growing up with racism in the civil rights movement?


Coney: Well during the civil rights movement when uh the movement was really going on when I was only the age of 7 when this was happening, so I did live through it and umm my father marched with them uh to help with the movement


Dashawn: Okay, so you said your father helped with the movement, how did he help and what about your mother?


Coney: My mother worked.


Dashawn: Okay


Coney: My father marched, and he marched with Dr. martin Luther King, he marched with the movement, Malcolm x and so forth.


Dashawn: Was your father in any, like group activities through this. Well you said he marched with Malcolm x and?


Coney: He did a lot of protesting of uh racism. Right he was in the black panthers, he did a lot of marching umm against racism, voting rights, and for non discrimination. for different race color and origins.


Dashawn: Alright, so you said your father was part of it, was you ever involved with the civil rights, movement?


Coney: Just a child of it.


Dashawn: Okay so umm, basically from your past would you change anything that dealt with the civil rights movement if you were ever involved; like would you ever change anything?


Coney: No, not really I think the civil rights movement was a good thing most of it was non violence there was a little violence during that time but not a lot.


Dashawn: Okay uh, because your african american were you treated differently it talked about?


Coney: Yes, most of the time. Named like pick-a-nanny and different things. Uhh I was removed from the home because you know they said my parents didn't make enough money; it was different things going on in my life that affected my life as a child uh. In that movement.


Dashawn: So you became a foster child basically.


Coney: Yes I did.


Dashawn: Okay uh it. Your african american would you ever change your skin color for anything or  are you proud to be african american?



Coney: I'm proud to being african american or whoever I am.


Dashawn: Okay, uh you said you were discriminates so were you discriminated in school or work or anywhere else?


Coney: Oh yeah in school, uh, a lot of time we weren't aloud to sit with the Caucasian children, uh at work. I did private care so a lot of them were uh what you call, stuck in their ways uh, the Caucasian and I've been call names like big fat black B*****. And bastards uh, an unlimited amount of names that were discriminated


Dashawn: Okay, I want to go back to the question I mean the statement when you said that you were a foster child. Did you ever at any time go back to your foster care the foster parents or did you enjoy becoming, I meant well did they treat you right as a foster child?


Coney: Well I was in many of them, uh there was only one couple and believe it or not the were Caucasian that cared for me the best, but when I went back to find them I couldn't find them anymore


Dashawn: okay, it’s at least good that you tried to go back and find them that's very interesting. umm how was things with racism change over time well how did racism change over time?


Coney: oh it changed a lot we can vote we can work freely, your life is not dictated, you can share restaurants, there's a lot of things you can do now that you couldn't do now that you efficiently couldn't do. look at the interracial couples you could not do that at all umm


Dashawn: how as education and yeah?


Coney: how was education during the movement?


Dashawn: for african americans


Coney: they didn't want you to learn, but our parents were pretty smart so if you didn’t learn at school you learned at home.


Dashawn: okay, yeah, or did you learn based on the surrounding like?


Coney: Oh yeah, we were taught a lot about the uhh movement civil right movement and that's one thing they don’t do a lot in school now but uh we had black history and we were taught a whole lot it was many different african americans that made life better for example, Rosa Park Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Eli Whitney, all of them has contributed to the black race and how we live now.


Dashawn: uh did you have any uh like family member that uh before you like, are your family members born and lived in Philadelphia or did they ever live some place else?


Coney: No, my grandma was born in Mississippi and he mother was a slave.


Dashawn: So ya’ll migrated from Mississippi to Philadelphia and that's where.


Coney: From Mississippi, from Georgia, uhh Virginia


Dashawn: So y'all moved from the south over to the east to Philadelphia.


Coney: Some of them, some of my grandmother's sisters and brothers there was 9 of them so I think 6 of them came to umm different parts like New York, Philadelphia, jersey, yeah they did come from south and moved north.


Dashawn: okay uh, do you believe that life living in the US is easier now or similar or different from?


Coney: It’s a lot easier there trying to change it you know uh its all politics but life is a lot easier than it was then.


Dashawn: So uh do you have any like concern about uh how things are going to turn out like do you think racism will ever come back or how things were in the past?


Coney: Not if our young african believe in what they can achieve and keep their heads up they can make it


Dashawn: So you had a long life, a long.


Coney: A long hard life for a long time  my children young and I’m only 55, I’m a grandmother of 24 but umm my life is better a whole lot better foster care makes you umm, I don't know I was a little angry because I wanted to know my family and I was late learning who my family was but by then I was raising my own self.


Dashawn: So how long were you in foster care?


Coney: oh wow, I was in foster care since the age of about 5 until I was about 13 but before that my godparents was trying to raise me because they wanted to remove me from the house. so the god parents stepped in.


Dashawn: it was, it was good to see your point of view and how you went through the civil rights and how it was in your eyes, umm thank you for letting me interview you today and hopefully we just keep looking forward and well not forget about the past but like learn from the past basically.


Coney: exactly, and I want to thank you for choosing me to be the one to give you my point of view I how it helps


Dashawn: as long as I get an A in this class, ha ha . alright have a good day


Coney: You too.


Dashawn: Alright thank you.

RECORDING 2014.04.17 22-16

Oral History- Jason Perez

Abstract

Me, Jason Perez interviewer's my grandmother Candice on racial discrimination, the civil rights movement, race and racism of course, and the role race plays in our old and new society.

While you are listening to the interview and reading the transcription. You will find out and realize some good points made and well answered questions along with well asked questions. Basically what me and my interviewee talked about was racial discrimination and how has people’s view on race has changed and also the role race has played over the course of the last 50-60 years. I asked my interviewee questions like “has she ever faced or overcome racial discrimination, has her view on race changed and how race and racism affects or old and new society.” She answered the questions very well telling me things like “she has never faced or overcome racial discrimination, how she thinks that we all have come a long way with being racist and racism, even though we are not 100% and how racism and race still plays a big role in our society.” We mainly focused on discrimination and racism itself.


Research Portion

One topic i picked from the interview was when me and my interviewee talked about life after the civil rights movement. Now my interviewee did not remember too much about life after the civil rights movement mainly because she was only 11. But since i did not receive much information on that question i asked that’s why i decided to pick this topic and research it. Now according to the link http://www.usm.edu/crdp/html/cd/impact.htm after reading it, it basically says that the civil rights movement in missisipi had it’s good causes and it’s bad effects. How many people have lost their lives, homes, family and jobs but now no longer were blacks denied the right to vote, to eat, shop, and swim where they pleased, and more importantly, to attend integrated schools. It also mentions other things like how African American Charles Young, elected to the Mississippi House of Representatives in 1978, is a former civil rights activist and how Mrs. Julia Holmes, one of the Meridian activists, thought that the movement brought a number of positive changes to Mississippi and american more then bad.

  • I used other links like http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2876.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93Civil_Rights_era_in_African-American_history but the fir

    Transcription

    Jason: hello, good afternoon, beautiful outside, how are you feeling today


    Grandma-im fine how are you


    Jason-im doing good, thank you for asking


    Grandma-you're welcome


    Jason-let’s talk about what we came here to discuss


    Grandma-what kind of questions do you have for me today


    Jason-i would just like to talk about racial discrimination and your view on race itself. we are just going to talk about on your perspective on things overall


    Grandma-okay let’s start!


    Jason-first question. what kind of experiences did you have with racial discrimination


    Grandma-well i really don’t remember too much of going through anything personally.  the only thing i remember when i was middle school i attended a school that was located in a predominantly white neighborhood. which is now known as fishtown. i remember we had to walk to the 15th trolley stop on east girard avenue. there would be teachers standing at the stop to make sure that we would get on the trolley safely.


    Jason-why would the teachers wait for you to get on safely?


    Grandma-because the majority of the kids that went to the school were puerto rican and african american. Being that we were in a white neighborhood the faculty wanted to assure our safety from the neighborhood kids.


    Jason-what do you think would have happen to you guys if there were no supervision from adults to assure your safety.


    Grandma-the neighborhood kids would have probably jumped us and chase us all the way until we passed to the west side of girard avenue.



    Jason-Okay. So what do you remember about the iconic members of the “Civil Rights Movement”. For instance, people like martin luther king, rosa parks, and malcolm x.


    Grandma-I don't remember much about rosa parks. only what i learned in school. i remember that i was only six when she was arrested. but back then i never understood what he meaning of that was and why was it a big deal. I remember Martin Luther King. With civil rights and his walks and marches for civil rights and freedom. i remember he was a vocal point in the news media. I knew martin luther king was as big as life back then and was one of the most important people in america during that time.


    Jason- That was a very good explanation


    Grandma- Thank you


    Jason- In your personal opinion how do you believe people’s view on race has changed.


    Grandma- Well it’s been a struggle there are still narrow minded people have come a long way in becoming more diverse i still think there are still problems with racism in our society. But not as intense as it was back in the 60’d and 70’s.


    Jason- You talked about how race has changed in a positive way but it’s not 100%. So what role does race play in our society TODAY?


    Grandma- Well like i said it’s not 100%. Today i believe now the minorities have more opportunities. Mainly because of our iconic members of the  civil rights movements. It is what they fought for. I think there is still racism and always will be.


    Jason- Do you believe we are discriminated today?


    Grandma- My personal opinion in the work world, discrimination isn’t what it used to be. but in people in general. i do think that there will always be discrimination. Mainly because of their beliefs. I think it’s still.


    Jason- I  have never overcome or come across racial discrimination. Have you.


    Grandma- No. Not really. I honestly can’t say. As a child i was sheltered. My parents kept me inside. My parents kept me inside because of these reasons. Because of segregation and racial discrimination. I was sheltered. Although slavery was not nearly as much bad here as much as it was down the south. There was racism and discrimination though.


    Jason- Have people ever been racist to you?


    Grandma- No. I’ve never been discriminated against or called names or anything.


    Jason- Have you ever been a racist


    Grandma- No. I would never.


    Jason- Since you live almost 13 years during the civil rights movement. How were things when the civil rights movement ended in 1960?


    Grandma- Well i was only 12. As i have stated i knew what was going on but i was still a little too young to understand or comprehend. I only remembered big things like my own personal experiences. I've never been discriminated against.


    Jason- So you don’t remember anything?


    Grandma- Well remember everything i talked about. Jobs were easier to get, education was better im guessing. From my personal experience it was the same. But there was still racial discrimination and segregation and racism of course. It just wasn’t as bad before the 60’s. Even though we are still racist today it is definitely not as bad as it was back in the 60’s and before then.


    Jason-Have your relatives ever come over racial discrimination?


    Grandma-My sister has. Her husband is african american. They were leaving north philadelphia to live in northeast philadelphia. they were having problems because they were an interracial couple. All of his offers were being declined so he wounded up paying their offer because they wouldn’t let him bargain for anything.


    Jason- Thank you for your time ma’am i really appreciate you taking time out of your day to let me interview you.


    Grandma- You're very much welcome.


    Jason- You're welcome. Have a nice day.


    Grandma- You too.
    st link i liked the most and answered my questions and gave me the most information.

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Oral History

Abstract: Ileka Barker interviews her grandmother Betty Jane on the civil rights movement and life around that time. She explained the things she had to deal with in her every day life and how we are lucky that the world has shaped into how it is now, also she talked about Martin Luther during that time period. She was born in 1955 and around that time she was still in her teens. She said she did not experience anything, no one every targeted her or came at her in a negative way.


Research: Martin Luther King was born January 15 1929.As we know Martin had a long history of doing things for his community, later in 1955 he accepted to be the first leader of the negro nonviolent demonstration of contemporary times in the United states.After that he became like the national peace sign everyone came to him and believed in him as hope. He made a huge difference.


Link:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1964/king-bio.html


Transcript interviewing Betty Jane


IB: Hi my name is Ileka Barker and I’m interviewing my grandmom todays date is may 18, 2014 and its 4:08 pm, I'm going to be interviewing my grandma about the civil rights movement and how it impacted her

BJ: Hello

IB: Hey ma ma

BJ: Hold on a minute sweetheart.

IB: Okay

BJ: hello

IB: Hey how are you ?

BJ: I’m good dear, how are you ?

IB: Yeah, I’m good, can I ask you some questions about the civil rights movement ?

BJ: Yeah I hope I can answer them sweety, wassup ?

IB: How old were you when the civil rights movement started ?

BJ: How old was I when the civil rights movement started.

IB: Yeah

BJ: umm, I was around 10 years old

IB: oh okay, so how was life around the time.

BJ: Life around that time well, umm. How can I say this we didnt have alot.

IB: Mhm

BJ: umm, my mom worked and everything ya know and like if she cooked you know umm. Like say for instance if we happened to have pork chops

IB: mhmm

BJ: If we were lucky enough to have pork chops it was one for everyone one of us that might have been in the house and we had to eat, things were lean, you know it was hard times.

IB: Yeah

BJ: It was hard times we didn’t have a whole lot of stuff you know, it’s almost like kind of now for a lot of people who is struggling, you know black people struggle.

IB: mhm

BJ: Black people struggle you know and if you, it was just rough.

IB: Did you, were you targeted, did people target you ?

BJ: Was I targeted ?

IB: Yeah, since you were so young ? You could see a lot of racism

BJ: No,no,no,no I never got targeted when I was young, no

IB: Okay

BJ: No I didn't get targeted, now I can say that about my mom, my mom was born in alabama and she came up here when she was a teenager but I don't remember anybody in my family ever saying they were targeted or anything. But umm when I was a little girl, you know.

IB: Mhm

BJ: My dad, I know I heard, you had to ride on the trolley cars.

IB: That’s when your mom was young ?BJ: Yeah we couldn't go, I was born but I was still little. You know certain neighborhoods couldn't go into the…

IB: Oh really ?

BJ: Like near Girard avenue they had like white, wherever it was white folks at they didn't want us blacks folks to be at.

IB: Yeah

BJ: You know stuff like that, Have you ever seen Documentaries on the Civil rights movement ?

IB: Yeah we’ve been watching alot in class recently

BJ: Well it was like that

IB: Oh wow

BJ: yeah it was like that, you know how and a lot of times I had holes in my shoes, cardboard in my shoes

IB: How was like school around that time

BJ: Well from what I can remeber you know school was okay and when I first started there was some white people in my school but I always remembered when I stopped seeing them because that was elementary school.

IB: Oh so they weren't there in like middle school and stuff

BJ: I hadn't seen any, I've got to look on my graduation picture from junior high school, I don't think it was no white kids in my class.

IB: Oh

BJ: I dont remeber no white kids being in my class in junior high but I don't remember any white kids being in my class in elementary and kindergarten and first grade because I went to, I don’t remember no white kids being in my classes.

IB: Oh really

BJ: It was so long ago, what you see in those documentaries it’s pretty much like that.

IB: Oh thats crazy.

BJ: I had grandparents who had a club and they made money like that and it seemed like it was the elderly people who had their own homes and stuff like that. My uncle worked for what is called septa now It used to be called the ttc back during the civil rights movement

IB: So like how much has the world changed since then ?

BJ: Huh ?

IB: How much has the world changed since then ?

BJ: It has changed an awful lot except for maybe like a lot of us are still disenfranchised

IB: Yeah

BJ: LIke it seems like sense are president has got elected it seems like racism has raise over head again. You know what I’m saying ?

IB: Yeah

BJ: Now I had people that have acted nasty towards me in stores you know the different lines in the late 70s early 80s and the civil rights movement was over with. You know Martin luther king had died.

IB: Wait so you was

BJ: They don’ t wanna wait on you or something, you know what I’m saying.

IB: Yeah, did you like ever meet him

BJ: Noo, uh uh

IB: He was alive during the time right.

BJ: He was alive, ya.

IB: ohh

BJ: I think he was assassinated in 68 I think

IB: ohh

BJ: I think he did I have to google it

IB: Okay, thank you mama for the answers.

BJ: You know when they bombed the church with the girls in it.

IB: Oh yeah, how old were you around that time ?

BJ: And, wait a minute that was around in early 60s .











Oral history interview (1) (1)

Oral History: Nileka Barker

Abstract:

In this interview Betty Jane talks about her life during the Civil rights movement and anything she can remember. She is African American and grew up in Philadelphia, she is currently 69 years old. She expressed in the video that it was a very hard time and they didn’t have that much to eat and that the world has changed a whole lot over time. She described her experience in direct with white people and she said she was not targeted but she can still see when you go somewhere and in older white people in their late 70s towards early 80s have attitudes.



Research:

In the video she talked a lot about Martin luther king and she also described what kind of shoes she used to wear. like for example one was a real shoe and the other was like a cardboard box. The civil rights of movements were a bunch of political movements for equality,we all know that AAM get had less so of course they didn’t have fancy clothes and such. She said she could remember hearing a lot about Martin Luther king and her family talking about him, he died in 1968 so she was about 23 years old at the time.


Sources:

-https://www.google.com/search?q=martin+luther+king&oq=martin+luther+king&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4303j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1896%E2%80%931954)



NB: Hi my name is Nileka Barker and I’m interviewing my grandma. Today’s date is May 18th 2014 and it’s 4:08 pm. I’m going to be interviewing my grandma about the Civil rights Movement and how it impacted her.


The phone is ringing…..


BJ: Hello


NB: Hey mom-mom


BJ: hold on a minute sweetheart


NB: okay.


BJ: hello


NB: hey, how are you ?


BJ: I’m good dear how are you ?


NB: Yeah I’m good, can I ask you some questions about the Civil rights movement ?


BJ: Yeah I hope I can answer them for you, wassup


NB: okay um, how old were you when the Civil rights movement started ?


BJ: How old was I when the civil rights movement started ?


NB: Yeah


BJ: Um, I was around 10 years old


NB: oh okay, how was life around that time ?


BJ: Life around that time, well um how can i say this

um we didn’t have a whole lot


NB: mhm hmm


BJ: Um my mom worked and everything you know, and liked she cooked, and say for instance if she cooked and if we happened to have pork chops


NB: uh huh


BJ: We were lucky enough to have pork chops, it was one for everyone of us that might have been in the house and we had to eat…things were leen you know, it was hard times.


NB:yeah


BJ: It was hard times, we didn’t have a lot of stuff you know and it’’s almost kinda like it is now for a lot of people who is struggling, you know black people struggle


NB: uh huh


BJ: Black people struggle you know and if you.. it was just rough


NB: Did you, were you targeted, did people target you ?


BJ: Was I targeted ?


NB: yeah, since you were so young ? You could see a lot of racism


BJ: No, No, Nooo, I never got targeted when I was young. No


NB: okay


BJ: Noo I didn’t get targeted. Now uh I can’t say the same you know about my Mom because my mom was born in Alabama and she came up here when she was a teenager but I don’t remember nobody in my family ever saying they were targeted or anything but when I was a little girl


NB: Mhm huh


BJ: My dad, I know I heard that you had to ride on the trolley cars


NB: This was when your mom was young ?


BJ: Yeah we couldn’t go, I was born but I was real little. You know certain neighborhoods couldn’t go onto the ...


NB: Oh really ?


BJ: Like near Girard avenue they had like white, wherever it was white folks at they didn’t want us blacks folks to be at.


NB: yeah


BJ: Have you seen on Documentaries on the Civil rights movement ?


NB: yeah like we’ve been watching a lot in class recently.


BJ: Well it was like that


NB: Oh wow.


BJ: Yeah it was like that, you know and a lot of times I had holes in my shoes and they would put cardboard in my shoes


NB: How was school around that time


BJ: Well from what I can remember school was okay you know and when I first started school it was some white people in high school and I don’t remeber you know when I stopped seeing them because that was Elementary school


NB: Oh so they weren’t there in Middle school and stuff ?


BJ: I hadn’t seen any, I got to look on my graduation pictures from Jr. High school. I don’t think it was no white kids in my class.


NB: Ohh


BJ: I don’t remember no white kids being in my class in Jr. high school but, and I don’t remember in white kids being in my class in Elementary school, and kindergarten and first grade because I went to.. I don’t remember no white kids being in any of my classes.


NB: Oh really.


BJ: It was so long ago, what you see in them documentaries it’s pretty much like that


NB: Oh that’s crazy


BJ:I had grandparents that had a club and they made money like that and it seemed like it was the elderly people who owned homes and stuff like that and then my Uncle worked for what is called Septa right now it used to be called the TTC back during the Civil rights movement.


NB: So like how much has the world changed since then ?


BJ: Huh ?


NB: How much has the world changed since then ?


BJ: It has changed a awful lot except for maybe like a lot of us are still disenfranchised, you know what I’m saying ?


NB: yeah


BJ: Like it seems like since our president got elected it seems like racism has raised over head again, you know what I’m saying ?


NB: yeah


BJ: Now I had people that act nasty with me in stores you know different times in their mid 70s early 80s and the Civil right’s movement was over with. You know Martin Luther King had died


NB: Wait so you was


BJ: They don’t wanna wait on you or something, you know what I’m saying


NB: Yeah did you ever meet him


BJ: No, uh uh


NB: he was like alive during your time right ?


BJ: He was alive, yeah


NB: Ohh


BJ: I think he got assassinated in 68 i think


NB: Ohh


BJ: I think he did Ima have to Google that


NB: Thank you Mom-Mom for the answers


BJ: You know they bombed the church with girl in it


NB: Oh yeah, how old were you around that time


BJ: And, wait a minute. That was around in early 60s.


Oral history interview (1)

Oral History- H.Tapia

In this video Hector Tapia is interviewing three people, James Cush, Dennis Gruer, and Alexander Henderson, on 10 questions that are related to the civil rights movement. Alexander Henderson brings up what Dr. Martin Luther King jr. did in the civil rights movement, and racial profiling in his interview. All three of them also say that they have felt like their rights have been violated by the government. Two of them said it was because of the police, and one of them said it was because of the army.

Dr Martin Luther King jr. was one of the most recognizable civil rights leaders. He was the main civil rights movement leader. The movement was a success, it led to the civil rights act of 1964. On February 26, 2012 Trayvon Martin was murdered by a Hispanic male, George Zimmerman. The reason that happened wa because of racial profiling.

Sources:
http://www.crf-usa.org/black-history-month/the-civil-rights-act-of-1964
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

May 17, 2014

Transcript:

Hector- Hi, my name is Hector Tapia and this is my Civil rights movement project. I hope you enjoy.


Hector-What do you believe to be the difference between human and civil rights?


James- There is no difference, human beings require civil rights to exist in a society together.


Hector- So did ever feel that your rights have been violated?


James- Of course!


Hector- By who?


James- I’ve felt in the course of my life, of course my rights have been violated in a lot of type of ways. Being drafted to go to vietnam was one.


Hector- How do you remember the civil rights movement was it a positive or negative thing in your life?


James-It was a positive thing.


Hector- I am going to mention human and civil rights leaders, i’ll say them 2 at a time, and out of those 2 I want you to tell me which one affected you the most.


James-Ok


Hector- Martin Luther King .jr or Nelson Mandela


James- Nelson Mandela


Hector- Malcolm X or Gandhi


James- Gandhi


Hector- Rosa Parks or Barack Obama


James- Rosa Parks


Hector- What do you consider to be moral?


James- Anything that pertains to human behavior. When its the love its moral, when there is no love its immoral. You have a choice, its either one or zero.(soft laugh)


Hector- (soft laugh) Is it your responsibility to make sure that your neighbors rights are protected?


James-Yes


Hector- What do you think is most important to the nation, religion or politics?


James-It would be politics.


Hector- Why?


James-To have a society that functions; there is so many different religions it would be chaos if you try to run it with religion.


Hector- For the last question, if you had the opportunity to create or change a law what would it be?


James- I would probably want to create a law.


Hector- What would it be?


James- Everyone must love everyone.


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Hector- What do you believe to be the difference between human and civil rights?


Alexander- The way you treat one another, now your talking with somebody with sense. Go on, go on.


Hector-Did you ever feel that your rights have been violated?


Alexander- Yes!


Hector-By who?


Alexander- Police department!


Hector-How?


Alexander-Because the police profile black man, now I’m a gentlemen and a soldier and im a veteran.Put my hat on and I’m a respectable man who has never been in jail, put your hat on like this, (puts his hat to the side), the cops will stop you. I dont think its correct for your hat to be like that, but it doesn’t mean you did anything. Next question.


Hector-How do you remember the civil rights movement was it a positive or negative thing in your life?


Alexander- Positive thing, MLK initiated it other people started it but he was the founder of the civil rights movement.


Hector- I am going to mention human and civil rights leaders, i’ll say them 2 at a time, and out of those 2 I want you to tell me which one affected you the most.


Alexander -Alright, alright go ahead.


Hector- Martin Luther King .jr or Nelson Mandela


Alexander-(Silent for a moment) No comment, they were both equal.


Hector- Malcolm X or Gandhi


Alexander-(Again, silent for another moment) No comment.


Hector- Rosa Parks or Barack Obama


Alexander- Rosa Parks


Hector- What do you consider to be moral?


Alexander- Morality is ethic, sexual, no rapist, that is morality. Dont take advantage of nobody, and act like respected.


Hector- Is it your responsibility to make sure that your neighbors rights are protected?


Alexander-Absolutely correct.


Hector- What do you believe is most important to the nation, religion or politics?


Alexander- Religion!, politics is rubbish.


Hector- For the last question, if you had the opportunity to create or change a law what would it be?


Alexander- The democratic and republican parties would be one because they go against each other and that fucks up, excuse my language, the nation.

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Hector- What do you believe to be the difference between human and civil rights?


Dennis- Well human and civil rights are basically the same thing, I mean pretty close. Civil rights is like when they have different senses for different nationalities. Like back when they changed the law for the blacks to have the right to vote, and stuff like that. Human rights is like when you just get treated like shit by your government.


Hector-Did you ever feel that your rights have been violated?


Dennis- Yes


Hector- By who?


Dennis- Policemen


Hector- What did they do?


Dennis- You see how my car is sitting right here, I pulled up one day and I got a ticket. You see how this corner right here, (he points at corner with stop sign), you know how you have to pull up in front of it to see. They acted like I ran a red light, they treated me like a criminal.


Hector-How do you remember the civil rights movement?


Dennis- I don't remember a lot of it because I was fairly young, but I remember MLK. I remember a lot of people who were involved in it.


Hector- I am going to mention human and civil rights leaders, i’ll say them 2 at a time, and out of those 2 I want you to tell me which one affected you the most.


Dennis- Alright


Hector- Martin Luther King .jr or Nelson Mandela


Dennis- I would say Nelson Mandela.


Hector- Malcolm X or Gandhi


Dennis- Malcolm X


Hector- Rosa Parks or Barack Obama


Dennis- Barack Obama


Hector-What do you consider to be moral?


Dennis- Everybodys morals are different, you know?


Hector- Well what do you consider it to be?

Dennis- People make moral decisions on more on how they were raised, some people werent raised on moral, its kind of hard to answer that question for me.


Hector- Is it your responsibility to make sure that your neighbors rights are protected?


Dennis- Its not my responsibility, but i think its our responsibility to make sure our rights are protected.


Hector- What do you think is most important to our nation, religion or politics?


Dennis- Religion


Hector- Why?


Dennis- Because think a lot of people dont have that structure, no background religious wise. I think if somebody believes in something they will be more capable of making right decisions.


Hector-And for the last question, if you had the opportunity to create or change a law what would it be?


Dennis- Uhh, now thats a good one,(laughs). You got me on that one, I dont know im going to have to pass on that one. There is so much stuff that I don't know what I would change or create.


My Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieaQ283cI2I&feature=youtu.be


Oral History: Samir Smith

Abstract

In this interview my grandpa and I discuss what was happening during the 60’s and what he experienced in Philadelphia during the civil rights movement. It is hard for him to recall the exact dates and his exact age, but he has a vivid memory and remembers exact events. He provides info about other peoples feelings and what they experienced.


Research

The civil rights movement was an international series of political movements for equality before the law that reached a peak in the 1960’s. It often took the form of campaigns of civil resistance such as “The Montgomery Bus Boycott”. There were many civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. In this interview my grandfather references his experiences and the assassination of MLK and the feelings of people older than himself.


Sources


Transcript

SS- What was it like for you during the sixties? Like what did you experience?


GP-I didn’t particularly have any difficulties as a youngster at that age, but I could see some of the struggles that my mother was experiencing but I think having 5 or should I say 4 other siblings at that time, you know I think it was pretty much carefree because there were no responsibilities or obligations that we had to really attend to being that young but I think we were pretty safe and happy being that young where our parents pretty much took on the strife of everyday living.


SS-Ok so like was there any racial tension or anything while you were growing up?


GP- I think that the racial tension for me being a youngster as I started getting older, say around 6,7,8, and 9 that 4 year span became more of a racially aware environment, especially hearing it from people, other African Americans in regards to the caucasian race at that point, hearing the disappointment and the exclusions and things of that nature and how we were so exempted from going in certain areas even in Philadelphia, I think that there was a border line of racism as I got even a little older around maybe 7 or 8 dealing with the Hispanic community living around 5th and lehigh at that particular time but racism I think was something that was becoming a very real and apparent part of my life between the ages of 7 and 9 so the experiences that I did have with racism as mainly of that hearing all of the ill treatment and difficulties that my parents and you know family and friends that were much older around my mothers age or you know in that age category of concern so that was pretty much the experience of racism during that time and at that time now you’re still talking about 67 to 69.


SS- So like Were you subject to any racial slurs?

GP- You know at that age if I was I probably wouldn’t have even known but being called things like, like the N word and things of that nature I think that it would only come from experiences with my hispanic friends when they got mad at me hahaha and if it came out it came out in that context and I think it made me angry you know at that particular point dealing with those who were my age and probably didn’t really have a sense of the intensity of what it was that they were trying to express either they heard things from racially charged individuals maybe family or friends of theirs or maybe heard it from other areas you know but as far as it affecting me to a great extent no.


SS- Did you see or experience any violence because of race?


GP- I never had an opportunity to really experience violence because of race at that earlier age during the 60’s it was still pretty much something that I think I might have been shielded from to a certain degree.


SS- So you felt safe?


GP- Pretty much yes I think I did my mother and my family did a pretty good job of keeping me safe from it.


SS- So when you were younger How did you feel about the civil rights movement?


GP- At the age of I guess maybe 9, 10, and 11 I didn’t really have a great sense of it but I do remember like maybe around the age of, I can’t remember how old I was i’m thinking I must have been somewhere between 10 and 12, I remember sitting in the living room of my mothers house and there was a big bang on the door and my mother came down hysterically because she had never heard anyone bang on her door with such urgence so she went to the door and asked who was it and it was my uncle, her brother Eddie and when she opened the door he was very distraught he had tears coming from his eyes he rushed in the house looked at my mother and said “they killed Dr. King”. My mother was very upset she put her hands on her face and immediately began to cry and she ran upstairs and my uncle he was distraught with anger and frustration seeing that and experiencing that coming from my uncle and mother I had a sense of what it felt like to be angry behind someone being assassinated especially at that caliber at that young age I knew that there was something that I was feeling that I couldn’t connect with the idea of rage being that young, 11 or 12 or more like 10 or 11 I might have been 9 if he got assassinated in 68 or 69 because every year I turn a year older but needless to say you know as you can hear there is a slight fogginess for racism for such a young mind between the ages of 8 and 11. So that was one of the first times I actually experienced frustration and anger and hostility at a young age so I would say racism introduced me to those extreme human characterisitics which I think are not the dominant human features but they have their place.


SS- So did you know who Dr. King was


GP- I did not know who he was to the extent that my mother and uncle did but in school his name was always mentioned and what he tried to do. And my teachers were very happy that someone like him had taken such a great stand so I felt hope that I knew i could identify at a young age, so knowing him to the degree that they knew and understand him no but I did have what I would say was a beautiful byproduct of what they had for him and what he was doing.


SS- Ok did the behavior and actions of certain people(Blacks or Whites) surprise you?


GP- Can you repeat the question?


SS- Oh did the behavior and actions of certain people(Blacks or Whites) surprise you?


GP- I think that at the age again that I was any strange behavior that wasn’t pure was was surprising that those who were adult could display such radical and inhumane behavior I think gave me an idea that there was something more that I had to look forward to in terms of dealing with people on different level so yes it was very surprising that kind of behavior coming from anybody of any particular race or color so yes.


SS- Did you have any white friends during the sixties?


GP- I can remember having absolutely not one single caucasian as a friend in my youth.


SS- Wow.


GP- The closest thing I came to having a caucasian as a friend were Hispanics who were of course I would say a close hue to that of a caucasian but Their behavior and interaction was nothing remotely close to anything I had heard to that of a Caucasian at that time.


SS- Well Grandpa thank you for your time this concludes our interview.


GP- Well thank you for having me and giving me this opportunity to express my viewpoint and history and to hopefully have implanted some idea and understanding and connection to what it was like having lived or being a child living in that era so thank you.


SS- Thank you too.



Oral History- Goran Bernard

Abstract

During this interview, I, Goran Bernard interview my next door neighbor, Vivian Black. Mrs. Black describes her experiences during the civil rights movement and the privileges she experienced in her career bases however, her husband was not as lucky as she was. She grew up in Washington D.C. but then, because of her many different jobs, she was forced to move to Philadelphia to continue. “I worked first in the Navy yard, Navy department, VA department, umm… what was the other one ?....ummm… VA department, and the Pentagon! “ She also explains the fact that her husband faced a lot of segregation in Philadelphia. He was forced in different parts of the buses, yet he fought for his rights and kept his head high to prove that blacks were the same as whites, they are humans and they deserved the same rights as whites. Vivian Black also expressed her admiration towards Martin Luther King Jr. and how she went to two of his marches back in 1963. She expresses the fact that people from all over the world came to see him present his speeches and that she was very close to him when he spoke.



Research

Vivian Black, the person I interviewed spoke of many different job careers she had during the Civil Rights Movement. She also spoke of a man who went by the name of Martin Luther King Jr as well as her husband who faced a lot of segregation, especially on the buses. Whites, during the 1950s forced blacks to go to the back of the bus. Martin Luther King, however organized a boycott that changed the course of history. Whites would always intimidate blacks to get a rise of them, however Martin Luther King told them not to fight back physically, Nonviolence is absolute commitment to the way of love. Love is not emotional bash; it is not empty sentimentalism. It is the active outpouring of one's whole being into the being of another.

--Martin Luther King, Jr., 1957 He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

--Martin Luther King, Jr. And many obliged. Dr. King was a man of great determination, He organized marches to unite everyone into one big community. On November 13, the Supreme court ruled that the bus  segregation was illegal. This ensured a great victory for the boycott and an advancement in African American history. Dr. King was a man with great guidance, during the bloody sunday march “Dr. Martin Luther King turned the marchers back around to go back to the church”, two days after that march, Dr. King “led a "symbolic" march to the bridge.” a march into equality.

Sources:

http://www.lib.lsu.edu/hum/mlk/srs216.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/civilrights/al4.htm


Oral History

May 18, 2014

INTERVIEW WITH VIVIAN BLACK


GB: Where were you born?

GB: About the civil rights movement ?

VB: It wasn’t a movement, I was working in a segregated office in Washington DC, it was veteran’s administration. I grew up in my home in Washington DC I went to school in Washington DC, and I went to College in Howard University but I left because I wanted to go work (laughs) and got a job. During the summer they would hire students, from high school, different high schools to work for the Federal Government during the summer. We worked in the summer and went back to school in the Fall, so I was lucky enough to work during those summers and I worked first in the Navy yard, Navy department, VA department, umm… what was the other one ?....ummm… VA department, and the Pentagon! We get lost every day in the Pentagon, (laughs) because it was new to me, shaped like a pentagon, I’d get lost finding my office every morning, and the security, he wasn’t the security but the guard, he would show me where my office was every morning, (laughs), I was lost getting into the new building. But , before I came to Philadelphia, I worked for the Veteran’s administration. And I happened to come here because my job was transferred to the Philadelphia VA. I didn’t know anything about Philadelphia, during that time it was 1954! I did not know anything about Philadelphia, I would only come up to see the Lincoln games, I don’t know if that answers your questions
GB: That’s fine
VB: The Lincoln games and go back home on the bus. But I had a friend who introduced me to a friend here. Her friend whose aunt lived in Philadelphia, her aunt was a sister of a musician W.C. Handy (I don’t know if you have ever heard of him but he was great musician named W. C. Handy, and I stayed with his sister) her aunt. And that’s how I happened to come and with the work for the VA on the Wissahickon Avenue. That’s where I met my husband’s sister who worked at the VA, she introduced me to my husband. That was back in 1954-55.
GB: Well, hum, so, when you did come here, so there still was segregation and all that, so how did you deal with it?”
VB: the office I worked in and even in Washington, it wasn’t segregated. it was work with all nationalities at the VA. And worked together. There weren’t any problems at all.
GB: That’s pretty good, I mean during that time….
VB: Things were different, I heard Philadelphia was really segregated, back in the.. some time ago. My husband told me about things that happened in Philadelphia. But when I came it was everything.
GB: Do you remember anything he has faced ? your husband?
VB:”I’m sorry ?
Me: Do you remember anything your husband had faced during that time?
VB: Know he told me how the trolleys were segregated and they had to get forced I think it was to,I don’t know,  to… to board the buses, to make sure that everything was safe on the buses, I think it was that so to board the buses, ugh, ugh,the service man or something that board the buses to be sure that everything was safe, people riding the buses trolleys, if they weren’t trolleys,then they were buses, they weren’t trolleys… I don’t think they had any black people drove those buses, I think they were all white all that time, it wasn’t until later years that the segregation came about with Martin Luther King.
Do you remember any … ?!!
Martin Luther KIng, I went on both marches with him…. back in 63 and the one that came after that ten year later…
GB: You went on both marches??
VA: Yes!
GB: How were those?
VA: Okay! It was just, Oh, it was just wonderful, to see so many people to see so many from all over the world come for that march in DC, and I was lucky enough to sit right near where he was speaking, so I had an opportunity to almost look into his face, that’s how close I was, my husband and I , to watch him, to listen to his speeches, the other people who spoke…
That must have been quite an experience…
It’s something to remember and it was all because of him that things happened for our benefit. For All people, it wasn’t just working for us, for me, for anybody…
GA: Thank you.

Here is a VIDEO of W.C. HANDY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGqBmlZR3dc



Oral History Benchmark - Calvin

Abstract 
My uncle Jed Dodd, tells us his experience with the Civil Rights Movement when he was a young kid. How this moment shook the nation and turn it something different from what it was. He gave us reasoning of why African Americans had the result they had during the movement and how no one understood reason of this event, and how it really effected people.

Research 
The African American Civil Rights Movement 1954-1968 was for African Americans to have equal access to and opportunities for the basic privileges and rights of U.S. citizenship. In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the “separate but equal” doctrine. African American leaders such as Martin Luther King lose part of their lives in the rights for freedom. Events such as the Montgomery Bus Boycott, Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and the march on Washington said freedom was coming its way for Amfrican Americans.

Souces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1954%E2%80%9368)
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/civil-rights-movement
http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/civilrights/summary.html
http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/civil-rights-movement-overview
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091030011114AAnVuQ6

Transcript

Calvin - Hey Jed, the topic is about the Civil Rights Movement

 

Jed - I remembered it was a defining moment in the United States in which working class people  stood up against the bosses and fought for against rascal discrimination.

 

Calvin - Did you participated in it?

 

Jed -  I participated in the laters years. in the earlier years I was too young to participate

 

My sister - How old where you uncle Jed?

 

Jed - in 1964 I was ten years old by the time the urban riding started in 67 and 68 I was 14 years old. And we began to participate in the Civil Rights Movement. We were marching against the war with Martin Luther King, and we were involved in the poor people marches in Washington D.C. And that's when Dr. Martin Luther King started to pull the anti war movement and the labor movement and the Civil Rights Movement together, and that's why the government killed him. He was lead marches that I participated in. For instant when he was gunned down, he was supporting a garbage men strike in the south. He was standing up for a group of workers who wanted to organise a union. The bosses were ok if people drank out of the same water fountain, but the bosses were not ok if you interfere with their imperialistic wars or the ends of rights on the job. And he pulled all those movements together. He spoke against the vitamin war he started to stand up the rights of labor. At that point he became to trouble some for the bosses and was necessary for the boss to kill him.

 

My sister - Even know all his movement were peaceful.

 

Jed - Yes, he was a peaceful non-violent man.

 

Calvin - Did this affect you and your family while all of this is happening?

 

Jed - We'll it all affected us; I grew up outside of New Jersey in 1967 during the urban riding I was 14 years old, and for instant a lot of people don't understand this, but in New York, New Jersey, a hundred and sixty seven people were killed by the national guards. One national guardsman, most of the hundred sixty seven people that were killed were unarmed and that happen across the United States. People were marching and protesting.

 

My sister - Did you get to see the violence?

 

Jed - Oh yes I did when I was 14 years old, the high school I've when to was occupied by the national guards we had no after school activity. And my señor year of high school was occupied by the state's police. My mother and father were  anti racist and were very supported in the Civil Rights. But those issue affect everybody. And changed everybody and the turbulence in this country is hard to describe unless you're in it or part of it, because the bosses own and they stamp out that history, because in the last 30 years they were able to transfer the greatest amount of welf for those who work for a living and for those who welfare living and that resulted there ability to stamp out those movement in the late 60s and the early 70s, and even rewrite the history so you didn't even know it happened.

 

Calvin - So at school we talked about how African American were affected like how they didn't have rights and stuff.

 

Jed - The bosses would like you to believe the Civil Rights Movement was the ability the drink out of the same water fountain and Civil Rights Movement was  much broader than that.

 

Calvin - Did it affect more than that?

 

Jed - Yes it did Martin Luther King considered the United Stats to be to be the most violent on the face of the earth and actively worked to change those policy at that time was vitamin and so from his prospected you could not have equality from drinking from the same water fountain if you were bombing Asian people in south East Asia simultaneously he saw the two movement as linked and as a result that's what he did.               

History Project Thing

Oral History E. Johnson

Abstract:

Norman King was born in Chester County. Where he was from there was barely any segregation. But, in certain states there was some discrimination. For example some people would aggravate negroes for no reason, police guards would pull people over for no reason. He thinks back then there was no equality. And “WE AS THE PEOPLE” have to come together and discuss the issues of discrimination. He also thinks as of today he still witnesses and hears about discrimination. Dr. King also thinks it was pointless because why did negroes have to be the ones that got the worst.


Research:

In Chester County Norman’s neighborhood was clean, quiet, and nice because they kept it that way in their environment and worked together to keep it nice. Norman says the only reason it was is because the negroes stayed in their place.

Resources: Times New Roman NewsPaper, http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/african-american-residents-chester-pa-demonstrate-end-de-facto-segregation-public-schools-19

http://chescodems.org/?tag=segregation


Transcript:

Eidayya:How are you? I presume you went through the Civil Rights Movement can you tell me your basic knowledge on that?


Norman: At that time between 1955-1965 there wasn’t up north here in pen. We didn’t face any problems because there was no segregation where he came from. In chester county where, I came from they treated us fairly but, there was no equality. Puerto Ricans looked at us as no class. Reason being was there was so few of them so they had to adapt. They couldn’t adapt to the english because we didn’t know spanish. The white man thought of that and so did the black man. In my area they looked at white people #1, black people #2, and others no existence. If you were smart they put us in the front of the class. His dealing of dislike of negroes, black was a harsh, bad word. You were a negro. Where he ran into it wasn’t so much in pen. But, I had a problems in the state of Delaware and Maryland. When negroes went into the state of Delaware they were automatically stereotypes. You were treated poorly. In stores if you were driving in the state of delaware and you drove past a police officer he would follow you and pull you over to say something was wrong. In the state of maryland when a police officer would pull you over the name calling came out those names were boy, for a woman it was “you gals” other things would be what are you doing, where are you going, and you need to get there in the state of pen. If you said something back they would sometimes refer to I don’t care what Malcolm X did, or MLK did they’re not here to save your ass. My block where I lived was 50% white and 50% black. The interactions that we had were friendly because we worked as a unit to keep our block clean. The white people would help you with anything/ home problems because they had knowledge of your character. It was a tough time but, it was a foundational time because they were trying to put up a solid foundation for equality minus race and minus gender. Coming from that time it was hard understanding it because our parents didn’t talk about it they just told us what to do and how to stay in our place and to have an education so we can take care  of ourselves and our families. Finally, not to forget “once” you came. In 2014, we throw race out.


Eidayya: How old were you when you went through the Civil Rights Movement?


Norman: I was 15 years old.


Eidayya: At your age what was happening back then?


Norman: It was rock and roll. The processed hair, they hot combed their hair. They wore high watered pants. The language was kind of hip. Everybody wanted a Corvett or a 1955 Thunderbird. Elvis was one of the top hits. Little Richard was out. Chuck Berry was out. ALot of white musicians tried to mimic him. At that time white musicians tried to mimick black people.


Eidayya: What was happening that involved the Civil Rights?


Norman: If it’s fine they can bombard him with questions. Schools, transportation, the economy. Refer back to the top paragraph.


Eidayya: Do you have any experiences with discrimination?


Norman: In that period no, I was a child. I carried golf bags. But, going into maryland and delaware yes. People tried to do things that would make you get mad so that’s where the inequality came.


Eidayya: How did it affect you?


Norman: It made me always look at everything and analyze it and see what is going to be best for me. That being how can I get a good education, can I take all the things I got taught to the white era apply them to myself and get the same results they’re getting. And it worked, I skipped two grades. i started in the 4th and in november they put me in the 5th. When I finished I went to the 6th grade. When i got into 7th grade the same thing happened. I did half of seventh and went to the 8th grade. I went to college, thenI I went on to medical school. When my white teachers saw I was able to come up to their standards, they pushed me. In college there wer only 12 minorities out of 600. There was no talk of race at the height of MLK. (What happened down North didn’t concern us) It was downplayed because we weren’t in the south.


Eidayya: How has your perspective of race changed?


Norman: I don’t look at it today because it was a problem then. And I’m trying to shed the feeling. I don’t like it. Problem solving has always been on my mind not gender and  not race.


Eidayya: As of today do you still experience discrimination?


Norman: Yes you do. You experience discrimination today. For example, public schools trying to fight charter schools.


Eidayya: When the Civil Rights Movement gained momentum did it change the people around you?


Norman: People my age we were kids we didn’t pay attention to it, No. But, my parents were aware of it and what ever adjustments we had to make our parents made the adjustments that were necessary.

Eidayya: When the Civil Rights Movement fell how did you feel?


Norman: It’s never been over with. We look at the situation and we adjust it with our circumstances. We watched our enviroment.


Eidayya: How did the society change?


Norman: They made programs social media and now those people made the problems more visual. They try to get government more involved in it to make different changes, groups, and causes within the united states.


Eidayya: Is there anymore information you want to add to this?


Norman: No thank you.


Eidayya: Okay thank you for your time.


Norman: You are so welcome.


Eidayya: Alright bye.







Oral History Benchmark - Errion Holness

​Abstract :

I interviewed my grandmother, Phanseta Campbell. In my interview, My grandmother spoke dominantly of a man named Marcus Garvey. She talked on about how Garvey aimed to help the blacks and give them some insight on what they could do. He got into trouble for his actions. This includes the U.S. banning him from coming there.  My grandmother also spoke briefly on some important political men that cared for the poor Jamaican citizens.


Research :
There was a man named Alexander Bustamante. After becoming wealthy and then, returning to Jamaica, he began organizing different events created specifically for the poor people. He also wrote a whole series of letter to their local newspaper, The Gleaner. All of this lead him to be the founder of the Jamaican Labour Party. (JLP) Bustamante also is known as one of the "Founding Fathers" of Independent Jamaica. One of the reasons for that was because he was Jamaica's first chief minister.
Sources :
  • http://www.itzcaribbean.com/history_jamaica_bustamante.php
  • http://jis.gov.jm/heroes/sir-alexander-bustamante-2/
  • http://www.answers.com/topic/alexander-bustamante
Transcript :

Transcript

Date Recorded: May 16, 2014 Time: 5:51am


E.H. : Hi, My name is Errion Holness and I’ll be interviewing my grandmother, Phanseta Campbell.

E.H. : Okay, Um, Well we wanted to talk about how you experienced the Civil Rights Movement? Do you know anything that comes right at the top of your mind?

P.C.: Hmm? …(?) What am I going to say?

E.H. : What ever you know. What ever you feel thats like the first thing that everybody should know about the Civil Rights Movement in Jamaica.

P.C. : This now says that during the Civil Rights Movement, We are talking about somebody [that] you know in it.

E.H. : Eh hmm.

P.C. : Eh heh eh heh. Them pickney write it give me en nuh because mi forgot bout’ dem dey somethin. (Those kids gave me this to read because I don’t remember much about those things) [Editors note: She is referring to my cousins or her other grandchildren who helped her out and she is speaking in the Jamaican Dialect called Patois (Patwa).] Em hm, But This was Marcus Garvey, We talkin about you see.

E.H. : Em hmm

P.C. : Because he was one the men them [and] he was also in the politics business, too.

E.H. :Eh hmm

P.C. : Eh hm, But in this, So this was what he was saying, During the Civil Rights Movement Marcus Garvey was banned from the U.S. What? *in a high pitched voice*

E.H. : Mm, He was banned?

P.C. : Yes.

E.H. : Mm.

P.C. : That mean say he couldn’t come.

E.H. : Ohh.

P.C. : Them stop him from coming and You know why he was banned from the U.S. and was almost jailed.

E.H. : For what?

P.C. : For sending multiple letters to the black community stating that they should return to Africa because the white population will not accept them for their *corrects herself* the color of their skin.

E.H. : Ohh.

P.C. : Because they were black. You understand?

E.H. : Eh hmm

P.C. : He were sending to tell them say they don’t need [to] come or to go back to Africa because they will not be accepted here. [U.S] You Understand?

E.H. : Eh hmm Ohh Um

P.C. : So they find out say him was doing that

E.H. : Eh hmm

P.C. :[It] come to their attention the States Department *rambling while trying to read off of paper* informed the U.S. consulate general in Jamaica to refuse Garvey a visa [to] come back here. [U.S.]

E.H. : Ohh.

P.C. : That’s when they find out what he was doing.

E.H. : Eh hmm.

P.C. : Eh hm.

E.H. : So it was like both sides, U.S. didn’t want him and Jamaica didn’t want him.

P.C. : No. Eh eh U.S. [don’t] want him [to] come back because them find out what he was doing.

E.H. : Oh.

P.C. :You Understand?

E.H. :Eh hm

P.C. : Eh hm

E.H. :Ohh

P.C. : In Jamaica, Now they were banning him from coming up here. [U.S.]

E.H. : Em hm

P.C. : Em hm So they [not supposed to] give him no visa when him come a ahh… *loss of word* Because remember say Jamaica Visa place [is at] America *corrects herself* Jamaica. [That’s where you have to go] to get your visa.

E.H. : Eh hm

P.C. : Them refuse him from getting the visa to come back here because of what he was doing

E.H. : Mm hmm

P.C. : Mm hm

E.H. : And Can you remind me of what he was doing?

P.C. : Mm hmm. Sending letters. Writing the black people.

E.H. : Ohh.

P.C. : They are not to stay here and must go back to Africa because they don’t appreciate them here because of the color of their skin because they are black.

E.H. : Em hm True.

P.C. : Em hm That’s just it. *continues to read off of paper* To refuse.. Yes.. Jamaica to refuse Garvey a visa in view of his activities in political *struggles with word and handwriting* and race agitation of being temporarily detained by the U.S. immigration .

E.H. : Um, So Grandma, Let’s go into.. About You.. Um, In Jamaica Do you know of, without this, any other Civil Rights Leaders? That like really, help you guys back then?

P.C. : Eh mm I only know about Busta.

E.H. : Buster?

P.C. : I didn’t really know about Manley. [I know of] Bustamante and Manley. They were standing up for the poor citizens of Jamaica.

E.H. : Eh hm.

P.C. : Eh hm. Because they were political activists. People who were in the political arena.

E.H. : Eh hm.

P.C. : *rambles while reading paper again* So because of that now, Jamaican citizens were robbed of the opportunity to obtain a visa to be allowed in the U.S. You understand? Because of what Marcus Garvey did.

E.H. : Wait,  who were um refused? The black people?  

P.C. : The Jamaicans.

E.H. : Eh hm.

P.C. : Eh hm. Because of what Garvey was doing. The citizens of Jamaica were refused.

E.H. : Ohh. Okay

P.C. : At that time. Eh hm. Jamaican citizens were robbed of the opportunity to obtain a visa to be allowed in the U.S. You understand? .

E.H. : Yeah.

P.C. : Mm hm Mm hm

E.H. : Okay

P.C. : Because what he was doing was against the American government. You understand?

E.H. : Mm hmm.

P.C. : Cause he was advising the Africans that they should not.

E.H. : ..stay here.

P.C. : You understand?

E.H. : Mm hmm. Alright Grandma Thank You for giving me time

P.C. : Eh hm Baby, So that’s what I get to [tell] I never knew that much about these things.

Interview with Grandma

Oral History Report- Moesha Grant

Abstract:

In this interview, Barbara Grant reflects on her experience growing up as a young, female African American in Philadelphia, PA. She discusses how she suffered with racial discrimination all her childhood years living in a predominantly white neighborhood, like high school and going to public places with her parents. Barbara Grant speaks on protest and sit ins she participated in during the 1960s in Philadelphia.  She talks about famous Civil Rights Leaders and their impact on the black community. Grant also expresses her fear as a child of White Supremacy. Lastly, she presents the concept of how racism is still present in today’s time, but is just concealed.  

Research:

During the Civil Rights Movement, the White Supremacy was very present. The White Supremacy, were groups that believed they were superior to other racial backgrounds and went to violent measures to keep themselves superior. White Supremacy was also known as white power. When the Civil Rights Movement was taking place civil rights activist and segregationist were head to head like never before. Many whites thought the City Councils weren’t doing enough to keep segregation, so they took it into their own hands. In the beginning of 1963, a group by the name of Ku Klux Klan (KKK) came into play. Their goal was to keep whites in charge and to terrorize black people with violence.  The KKK harmed anyone who was black or was trying to stop segregation. The KKK used all methods of violence to enforce their authority in the South like lynchings, tar-and- feathering, and rapes. One example, of their violent acts was the bombing at 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham,  Alabama where four young girls were killed.


Sources:

<http://soaw.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=482> <http://exhibitions.nypl.org/africanaage/essay-civil-rights.html>

<http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/mississippi/e1.html.

<http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/ku-klux-klan>







Transcript



Interview with BARBARA GRANT 14 MAY 2014 5:00 p.m.

Place: At Barbara Grant’s Home


Interviewer: Moesha Grant (MG)

Interviewee: Barbara Grant Age (BG), 56



MG: Today is May 14, 2014 and it is 5:00 p.m. I am interviewing Barbara Grant. So, Barbara. . . . What do you remember from your childhood between the time period of when you were born till’ 1965? What was going on during that time?


BG: Umm…. I was born in 1958 in the City of Philadelphia. Umm.. when I was born the Civil Rights Movement was going on equal rights. Umm.. when  I really could understand was in the period of 1964. In the period of 1964,my parents were telling me different places we couldn’t go why there were so much hatred. And I remember seeing marches from to Washington on the TV why they were protesting because we deserved equal rights. I remember umm.. Rosa Park umm.. sitting.


MG: What do you remember about Rosa Parks and the other leaders that were in the Civil Rights Movement?


BG: I remember when they said told Rosa Parks that she couldn’t sit in front of the bus and I asked my parents that’s not fair. Somebody is tired they should be able to sit where they want to sit, but they said because of the separation between white and black. Umm.. there were places  umm. What I remember about her when she came on the bus and protest. And I thought that wasn’t fair that she should have been able to sit where she want to sit, but understanding that…. white people had to sit in front. They came first and blacks in the back. And it’s just like they didn’t want us to umm.. eat in the same restaurants as white people. Umm.. we had to take the back entrance going places. Umm.. I also, remember umm...  Martin Luther King when he started going, walking to Washington and when they were fighting for equal rights. And when he was talking about you know that we should all be equal as one and the dream he had of one day umm.. we would all be equal. Umm…..Rosa


MG: Did you think whites considered themselves better than blacks during that time?


BG: Yes I do, umm….. yes they did. They considered they were better than us. More educated, had more job opportunities than we had. We were always the last the way at everything. You know getting jobs umm… where everybody like wasn’t equal and ways. The way they thought, they thought they were better than any other race. And as we go into 1965, it started to go from, Martin Luther King umm.. marched for peace. They were violent. They became violent people. Umm.. putting hoses on us, umm..  where they didn’t want us. The  Ku Klux Klan showing the hanging of us. The different umm.. things they would do to us if we came into their neighborhoods and the burning down of the houses and stuff. That frightened me because I thought maybe that would… I didn’t know if it was going on in Philadelphia or not. I know it was going on in the South because my parents both come from the South. My mother especially and especially it was going on near South Carolina. Umm..


MG: Did you think that, that era needed to happen in order for blacks to come up in society of how they are now?


BG: Yes, because that made us umm… better people we strived for more things. Umm.. to prove our point that we were not ignorant people because whites always said that we were ignorant people and we needed to go back to Africa. We didn’t.. all of us didn’t come from Africa. Africa maybe our heritage, but I was not born in Africa, so a white person telling me to go to Africa. Go back to Africa is not where I was born. Umm... I was born in the United States, so I didn’t think that... that was right. But as of now seeing where things have gone we have come a long ways. In which, that movement happened to push us. Even though, today in society we still have prejudice. We still have White American Corporation, but there we are still striving. We still need our young people to strive more to head off where we started a path, so Martin Luther King’s Dream has not died it’s still going forward.


MG: Have you had any experiences like you may not remember the Civil Rights Era, but in general of racism with discrimination or anything like that?


BG: Yes, umm.. I have umm.. We moved to a predominantly  white neighborhood in 1969, which my father wanted me to have a better education.  We moved to Montgomery County and which it was like 10% Black and 90% White. So umm... we had sit ins because they wanted to keep us separated from each other. They really didn’t want us in their schools or to ride their school buses, so even though it was now 1969 and I was going to high school it was... still hard during racial.. And I have experienced with sit ins, where we protested.  You know against that we should be treated. You know it was even in the lunchrooms. Umm… they didn’t like umm.. going, you know getting the same trays. You know calling us “niggers.” At one time, we did get into a fight, which we didn’t like the “n- word.”  Even to society today, they still use the “n-word” and umm... without the protest and Martin Luther King and all the other great ones that walked. That did the march and protested and fought for our rights. I don’t think black people would be where they’re at today, so were still continue on fighting.        


MG: So, do you remember… the Black Panthers during that time?


BG: Yes, I do.


MG: What do you know about them?


BG: Umm... they were umm.. motivated. Like they as I can remember they were a group of people that had they own set of rules. Umm... they wanted to take over and they became the Islamic umm… Movement. So, the Black Panthers were like a group of people that were against a lot of things that Martin Luther King was saying. They figured that we could get things better done with violence and still Martin Luther King was walking  for nonviolence. So, they fought against that you know. They figured that they can do things a lot better.


MG: So, do you think racism is still present in today’s era and time?


BG: Yes, I do(2x), They still have places in the South where  umm..black people can’t drink from water fountains or black people can’t sit. It’s more umm… in today’s society. They try to hide it, but it’s still there. It’s even in our basketball courts umm... You know it’s still here in America… still racial going on. Even  predominant whites are now mixed with blacks, but they still say that they should be with their own race and black women still say that you know that black men should be with their race. But it seems to have a change.


MG: Do you think that change was for the better?


BG: Somewhat, umm… I still think that it puts a gap between blacks and whites, where I think that umm.. As a society today, that when the basketball players, football players, etc. start making money they think that they should have a white woman in their life, instead of a black woman. I don’t think that’s fair because… we are equal. There’s no because you're making money now doesn’t mean that oh.. you can’t have a black wife you know. So, society.. they think that society looks at them better by them making money and have a white woman, instead of a black woman. You know, so that’s I don’t think that that’s right.   


MG: Thank you I’ve appreciated interviewing you.


BG: Thank you very much!


MG: I love your input!  


BG: Thank you very much!                                                 
Unnamed Note

Oral History

Abstract

In this interview Mr.Herbert Steinberg is asked about his life and his experiances and knowledge of segregation. He goes into depth about his life and service in the Air Force, and how he boxed in there. He lived in both the South and the North during his life. This interview talks mainly about my fathers life in the air force, it provides a look at a subject that is not really touched upon in history lessons.


Research

My research was on the topic of discrimination/segregation in the Air Force and Armed Forces, since that's all he talked about. Segregation was not that big of a deal in the armed forces, it was an everyday thing even though in 1948 President Harry S. Truman's executive order directing the military services to enforce "equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons ... without regard to race, color, religion, or national origin.". They always went by the separate but equal rule which meant they were legally free, but not in any other way. After about 5 years of suffering through trying to get their own rights, they got what African-American deserved, 95% of African American in the services were in integrated troops.


http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1998/July%201998/0798color.aspx

http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/WW2/US%20apartheid.htm

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation/large/index.php?action=chronology



Transcript


[Justine] My name is Justine O’Gara, the person I am interviewing today is Herbert Steinberg. It is Saturday, May 17, 4 pm.

[Justine] Starting with our first question. Did you ever witness discrimination, and if so what happened?

[Herbert] There was nothing I could remember of. Yea when I was down south I did, but not here.

[Justine] Could you tell us what happened?

[Herbert] Yeah, I was going to fight in a tournament in Montgomery Alabama, I was stationed at the St.Frederick Air Force base, and when they sent me to fight in Montgomery, Alabama I had no second. They wanted me to go fight, in the finals. So I went to the Maxwell Air Force Base and I got a friend of mine who was in basic with me *clears throat* and I asked if he would be a second for me, I had to have a second ‘cause they wanted me to fight. I was going to fight in the main tournament, and when I got to the- where we were supposed to fight they wouldn’t let me in cause uhh he’s- they wouldn’t let me in through the front door. That was 1952, 1953. Then they let us through, cause the guy would’ve lost his job, they wouldn't let him through. but they let him through. An then my second wouldnt, couldnt be in the corner with me, because you had to have white people in the corner. And uhh *clears throat*  I don’t think that was right, but they wouldn’t let me fight, so the only one I could get was a friend of mine but he was colored.

[Justine] Mhmm.

[Herbert] So he came with me and uhh they let him through, but they wouldn't let him at the, the be my second at the corner, you had to have white people at the corner.

[Justine] And how did you feel about segregation during that time?

[Herbert] It was wrong. Not much you could do about that, it was wrong. Its uhh, especially the air force.The white people in a one bunk, the color people in the other bunk. I think it was wrong.

[Justine] Mhmm.

[Herbert] We never mixed with each other too much.

[Justine] And when did you first learn about segregation.

[Herbert] Well I guess I heard about it, along long all my life really. All my life I heard about it, different things. Like… Theyre this, they're that, they're trouble makers, this and that, what people would always said this and that, which they aint. Both races are troublemakers of and on, no matter what you say to one or the other you are always wrong anyhow. Y’know what i mean?

[Justine] Mhmm.

[Herbert] Said that about the black people, about the white people, you're a- no matter what you say- I think they both are equal, both are right, and uhh I think they y’know do suffer a lot

people- ignorant people out there. Y’know what I mean?

[Justine] Yeah.

[Herbert] Some ignorant people y’know. I don’t think nothing wrong with nobody. I used to go up to the school and play football with them. They hung with me more than they did with there own kind.

[Justine] And did you participate in any events or marches for the end of racial inequality?

[Herbert] No, never did no, I was brought up in a [foster] home. *inaudible mumbling*

[Justine] Where did you live during segregation?

[Herbert] Philadelphia all my life

[Justine] I thought you said something about being down south?

[Herbert] Oh! Down south. I was down there in the air force, Selma, Alabama. Bad down there. They had their own section, and we had our own section down there, in the air force. I think the Air Force was really racist. They said I went to fight, but uh they wouldn't let me in, they wouldn’t wiht my second I had to get a white person to be second. In the tournament.

[Justine] And how did you react to the end of segregation laws? How did friends and family act?

[Herbert] What do you meant act? Well I felt bad, bought what just told you about. I felt bad about that, I don’t think it was right.

[Justine] Yeah, so how did you react when laws like that were ending?

[Herbert] I don’t think it never ended down there, nothing I know. 1952-1953 thats all I know about down there, so I don’t know what happened after that.

[justine] And what do you remember about the jim crow laws? Like only black people could use this water fountain, and then white people had their own water fountain.

[Herbert] No I never knew nothing about that, black people couldn't go to certain hotels, motels, they had their own sections. Down south they had their own sections, they- mostly blacks in one section and whites in the other section. And a hotels and all, they weren't allowed in certain hotels or nothing like that. Down there, was bad down there, for them. I think it was real bad, down there.

[Justine] And do you think it better living in the south or the north?

[Herbert] For who? Black people.

[Justine] Mhmm.

[Herbert] It was bad all over, it was racist, a lotta people were racist, which I think was wrong.Treat people the way you want to be treated, thats what I always thought, and I was brought up in a catholic (???) St,Joseph's boys home. I get along with everybody, no matter what they were white or black, and I y’know it was the way I was. Somebody did to me it didn't matter what they were, I just didn't bother with them.

[Justine] And that’ll be all the questions


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Oral History benchmark. By Nicholas Clark

Abstract:

Nicholas Clark, great uncle was interviewed by him. This interview was about segregation and how racism was so bad back then. He was talking about he was affected because he was Hispanic so not many people accepted his kind. He also said that it was a very hard time period for his family. Sometimes when he would speak he would shed tears because if how depressing life was in the 50’s and 60’s.


Research:

The main topic that I found interesting was about the black panthers and the KKK. The reason why I found this interesting is because it seems like they would have a lot of troubles with each other. This is the reason why I wanna learn more about them. I also wanna know the difference between the two organizations. Black Panthers were created because of oppression and inequality. KKK was created because of racism. The KKK and the black panthers were kinda similar in many ways but the way that stood out the most was racism they did not like it and always were looking for a way to stop it even if they had to kill people. The KKK also killed many African Americans because they were not as important as others.


Sources:



Transcript

Interview with my hispanic uncle Jose Toledo, About his experience on segregation and racism. Thursday, May 23, 2014 at 3:27pm.    


NC: Alright. Where were you born?

JT:  Arecibo Puerto Rico 1952.

NC: What did you think about the life you had as a kid?

JT:  Poor!

NC: You were poor!

NC: Ahh, What was your least favorite part about like 1960?

JT: 1960’s or the 50’s?

NC: 60’s and 50’s whatever.

JT: It was pretty rough it was hard to get a apartment with my mother because they didn't particularly care for minorities. No matter what you were you could be black, and even a poor white, or even hispanics. They knew you said your name was Toledo or in spanish Rivera Sanchez. They were always refusing you so you were forced to live in slum areas even though we can pay the rent. Thats how they use to treat people those days.

NC: Ugh, Ummmmm

JT:  And still to this day I’ll take you to texas and you can find places like that. Where they hord the minorities into a certain area.  

NC:  Ahh, What did you think about the black panthers?

JT: They were just another organization, but they were not really violent, nothing like the K.K.K. which is your next question.

NC: Yeah

JT:  They were more violent because they use to lynch people. The black panthers maybe got into 3 or 2 little scuffles, maybe 1 shooting but they were always frowned upon by the FBI in those days you know. Mr Hoover head of the FBI use to just spy on them but the KKK use to just run rapid in the South be lynching people intimidating people and now theres I use to go down the south by Virginia I use to run into situations like that, they wouldn't let us into restaurants you know..

NC: Alright.

JT: Because my mother was a dark complexion.

NC: Alright, Ahh did you go to a segregated school?

JT: Actually no I went to a private school I had the brains as they would say I went to a private catholic school. Mostly Italians, and there was maybe about 20 hispanics and about 4-5 blacks.

NC: Ahhh, How was like the racism back then?

JT: Ahh horrible if you wanna say because you couldn't get even if you had the education they wouldn't give you the job… Ok and even if you had the money you couldn’t get into a place to go eat especially in the south. North people were a little for tolerant but they would always be races behind the back. ohh yeah yeah yeah but then they would be turning around talking about you.

NC: Ahhh, How were like you treated during segregation?

JT: Just like any other minority even though I look caucasian but as soon as I said my name was Jose there faces changed and you notice then when you you know I was remember when i went with my priest took us on a little road trip to go canoeing because we were altar boys. They wouldn't let us canoe because the guy found out we were all hispanics and the gut turned around and said “ no I don't take your kind so we had to get back in the bus and go back home. It happened to me 3 or 4 times that way. We went down to D.C and couldn’t even get into a bathroom, we stopped at a diner and couldn't even get in. There were a couple of altar boys that traveled in our group even though they were latin american, they were black african americans. My friend Johnny Complanist who was a police officer he was treated really bad because he was dark skin.

NC: Alright, was it dangerous during segregation?

JT: YES! if you go to the wrong neighborhood or get stuck in the wrong neighborhood you could be a couple of cars following you with chains and bats.

NC: Dang.

JT: and they would be yelling at you they would be hollering at you get out of my neighborhood nigga. Anybody that wasn't there kind was always called that even if they were hispanic.

NC:  Was this a hard time for your family members too?

JT: YEAH! it was my mother got into an apartment complex and a small apartment complex and ahh the owner thought he could take advantage of her and try to rape her and we called the cops and the cops didn't do nothing.

NC: Really?

JT: Yeah after we beat the guy up too my brother and I beat him up and he said im gonna call the cops and I said call the cops and he called the cops and the cops came in and said it is basically a hit and there is no proof. Ahh my mother's word was nothing for that and this happened in Camden they tried to rape my mother.

NC: Thats crazy!

JT: Yup well thats how racism is. You know you go to the south and you run into the same situation and then people say the supreme court says there is no racism because they abolished the voting rights law and as soon as they abolish the voting rights law what do the states do they voted ID so that means its gonna cost you money to get voter ID no saturday or sunday votings no early voting its killing us we just wanna go back to the fifties which is never gonna work cause the the white people are dying off I hate to say it that way but thats the way it happens you know your generation is smarter because you can hang out without getting in trouble.

NC: Thank you for this interesting information!

JT: No problem.




history recording

Oral History- Imani Harris

Abstract


My grandma reflects on her experiences during segregation as a “ Black” African American  who was born down the south ( Virginia ). She begins by giving a great answer and describing what it was like during the 1950, if she felt safe during that time, and everything she said connect on how whites were back in the 1950’s. My grandma knew that it wasn’t going to be living down south but she said that “ I know that something good is going to come and the end”.


Research


Back in Virginia segregation was a huge thing.Segregation is separation of humans into racial groups in daily life. It may apply to activities such as eating in a restaurant, using a public toilet, attending school, riding on a bus, or in the rental or purchase of a home. Jim Crow laws was the main reason that there was segregation. When Martin Luther King “I have a dream” speech to a crowd of over 250,00 people at the Lincoln memorial during the march of Washington. Mr.King called an end to Segregation.



Transcript

Segregation Interview with Girlene Harris

By Imani Harris

ME:What was it like in the 1950’s in Virginia?

GM:As a child me growing up, it was – we couldn’t go to the places white folks went to. It was certain place we couldn’t eat. We had different places to go to the movies. The whites had their section, we had another section. It was – mostly what the black folk could do was work in the white man’s kitchen or in the fields.  Ah, we had our own churches. They had theirs. You know you didn’t mingle nowhere with them.  Like hear now everyone go to the ball game together – you didn’t go to no games or nothing with them and mostly they called you nigger.  We went to school there was a white school and a black school. They had the better buses and they ride by us and called us niggers. We walked to school.

ME:How old were you during this time?

GM:I was born in 1940, so in the 50’s I was in my early teens – 1940 to 1950 I was ten – I was in my early teens.

ME:How did you feel about segregation?

GM:It – segregation- it didn’t bother me because it never segregated our school or anything until after I grew up.  I was mostly out of school when they combined us –you know they started really going – (pause).  When I graduated from school, I graduated in 1960, and the whites and blacks still wasn’t going to school together. I think they started 2-3 years after but ah and the simple reason is – I’m up here- I left home was you really couldn’t find a job down there doing nothing unless it was working in a white man’s kitchen or if you work in a restaurant you had to work in the kitchen.  You know and all it was still segregation even though Martin Luther king was trying to break it, the civil rights was going through but it was still that you knew it was still segregation down there cause the way white folks treated you. You couldn’t go to a store and you couldn’t get waited on because you were black and they watched, they looked at you liked hey. And it’s still going on down there in some parts. You know they still prejudice, there’s a little town called Bowling Green down there that just as prejudice as they could be, if you bat your eye when you going through you’ll lose it but their still prejudice.

ME:How did you manage to keep a cool temper with the white’s doing that?

GM:My parent they had a lot to do with it. My mother and fathers was, we were sharecroppers. It’s like a whole lot of people don’t know what sharecrop is, that’s when you ah rent the land from the white man and cause you didn’t have no land you rent from the white man and he got the best portion of the money you made off the crops – that’s sharecropping and we were like that that’s how we were raised and brought up. And momma and daddy had an even temper, you know you got mad, you didn’t fly off the handle and get a gun and shot them. You, ah, was still in Jim Crow they would hang you in a minute. You had an even temper, you knew your place.  

ME:How did you get an education?

GM:I went to a public school. We had public schools down there, ah.  I went to public school from the first grade to the twelfth grade.  I graduated from union High School.  I started out in a little school, a two room school called Central Point, two rooms.  It was from prepemial to seventh grade.  Then I went to fill from seventh grade to the eighth grade and then you went to High School. It wasn’t know, I wasn’t knox middle school. It was elementary and high school and I started in ninth grade in union High School and I graduated from Union High School in 1990, sorry 1960.  

ME:How was the education? Was it bad? Was the books all ripped and trashy?

GM:No, we had good books.

ME:Compared to the whites?

GM:Compared to the whites, not really. Some of us didn’t know the differences. We had a book. One thing about it when they started to talk about integrating down there our schools, they built the black kids brand new schools for not to let the white kids come. We got brand new schools and it went on for years. Then they put us all together but we didn’t have white teachers. We had all black teachers. We had good teachers.

ME:Did you feel safe?

GM:Very safe – we didn’t have the fighting. We had no cop in the schools, no police, no nothing in the school, like it is here. Even tempered, we had good teachers. They thought a lot of kid and you felt safe around where I lived at, cause we live in the country it wasn’t to many of us.  

ME:Did you hear about the students, Little Rock Nine? The nine black students that went to an all-white school?

GM:Down south further down south yeah I heard about it. I didn’t like it.

ME:You didn’t like the way they were treated?

GM:Naw, I did like the way they were treated. And I remember the ah boycotting of the, when they sat at the lunch counter. Can’t think that. But Little Rock Arkansas stood in the door. That did, it wasn’t right because everyone is entitled to an education. Black or White.

Thank you for your time Grandma
Interview.mp3

Oral History Benchmark by Idamis Torres


Abstract

Tilda Elias, a 70 years old, Puerto Rican lady, recalls some of her memories about the time of the 1960’s. She’s shared with me many of the aspects in which life was difficult for the Hispanic community during this time. Mrs. Elias points out that while attention was focused on blacks and whites achieving equality, the Hispanic community was also struggling to obtain equality in this country. Aspects such as education, learning a new language, work and labor were some of the many obstacles the Latino community had to overcome during this time. She talked about how she was teased in school because she didn't know the language, and how she had to drop out of school, get a job, and support her family.This interview was originally in Spanish but it was translated to English by Idamis Torres.

Research

Throughout the 1960s, about 900,000 Latinos were facing unequal rights in the United States. In terms of education, in 1963,Miami’s Coral Way Elementary School, offered the nation’s first bilingual program in public schools. It was not until 1965, that more than 50,000 Hispanics received a job contract in the United States, this was the result of a boycott organized by grape growers. During the 1960s hispanics made their fight for equality even more visible, modeling their actions in the successful African American struggle for civil rights. After the huge impact the civil rights movement had in the Hispanic community, the 1970s were more successful years. In 1972, another essential right was given to the Latino community, the opportunity to register and vote. Today, there’s approximately 38.8 million Hispanics in the United States, the largest and fastest growing minority.

The facts included in the previous paragraph, mostly coincide with the story told by my interviewee. The time of the 1960s was a rough one for the Latino community, but the situation has improved over the years. Mrs. Elias pointed out two of the most important issues during the interview, which were education and work opportunities. Today, being the largest population of immigrants in the United States, Hispanics enjoy of these without any exception. I can conclude that in a way, we've all come across equality.



http://hushcivilrights.tumblr.com/post/409451928/1960s-civil-rights-for-latinos (education, labor, and language issues)

http://knightpoliticalreporting.syr.edu/?civilhistoryessays=a-civil-rights-history-latinohispanic-americans (statistics, organizations that helped Hispanic community)

http://www.tolerance.org/latino-civil-rights-timeline (Latino civil rights timeline)


*Translated to English by Idamis Torres*


Interviewee: Tilda Elias

Interviewer: Idamis Torres

May 21st, 2014.


IT:”Today is May 21st, 2014. My name is Idamis Torres, and I’m going to interview Mrs. Tilda Elias. Ok. Good afternoon Mrs. Elias.”

TE: “Good afternoon.”

*Both laugh*

IT: “Well, my first question is: When did you move to the United States?”

TE:”I came to the United States in 1957.”

IT: “Okay. You know, there’s always been many problems, with racism. Did you ever experiment racism?”

TE: Yes.

IT: “Yes? Eh…”

TE: “By coloured people.”

IT: “Coloured People?”

TE: “Aha.”

IT: “So, how did you feel during the time of 1960’s, I mean, how people from different racial groups were treating each others?”

TE: “Very bad, because when we arrived here from Puerto Rico, African Americans didn’t like us being here. I felt hurt because they always had something with Puerto Ricans. You know?”

IT: “I think that’s odd because at first, they were also brought here.”

TE: “I know, yeah.”

IT: “Do you know anything about the Civil Rights Movement?”

TE:”No.”

IT: “No? Okay. Well, you kind of told me this but, since you’re not black or white, how was being Puerto Rican at this time?”

TE: “*Laughs* Being Puerto Rican at that time was a problem because according to them, we came here to take their jobs. They didn’t really like us. I didn’t know English so, in school….”

IT: “Was it hard?”

TE: “They bullied me because I didn’t understand the language. But, I had to go to school. It didn’t matter if you didn’t know the language, the authorities said you had to.”

IT: “An obligation?”

TE: “An obligation, yeah.”

IT: “Um, how was your education?”

TE: “I… I… never graduated high school, I had to get a job to help my family.”

IT: “Oh, Do you, or did you in the past feel like every racial group is treated equally?”

TE: “No.”

IT: “No?”

TE:”No.”

IT: “Okay. *laughs* Were there discrepancies between people of the same race?”

TE: “No.”

IT: “No? They always had the same opinion?”

TE: “Yes.”

IT:”How old were you in 1960?”

TE: “I was like 19, something like that.”

IT: “Um, what do you know about segregation? I mean, I asked you before and you said, you didn’t really know anything. So, How do you feel, or felt at that time about discrimination?”

TE: “About discrimination? I felt bad because, there’s was plenty of discrimination against Hispanics at that time, and we couldn’t protest because one part of this country was for the whites, and the other for the blacks, and then we were in the middle.”

IT: “Mhm…”

TE: “We didn’t know where to go.”

IT: “I think, it’s still like that in some ways.”

TE:”Yeah…”

IT: “How do you think the issues with race have changed over the years?”

TE: “I think it has changed a lot, as now, the President is black, I think some African Americans think they own America.”

IT: “*Laughs* Yeah. Well, okay, my last question is, How do you see race? What does it mean to you? What do you think, in terms of Hispanics, African Americans, and whites?”

TE: “Well I think today, the majority is black, and the minority is white and hispanics.”

IT: “Yeah, we could say that. But, that was all for today…”

TE: “*Laughs*”

oral_interview

Oral History Benchmark-Eliza Meketon

Abstract

In this interview, I talked to my father, Richard J. Meketon. Born in the early stages of the Civil Rights movement, he was able to discuss what it was like not only for him, a white Jewish male living in the relatively diverse Mount Airy section of Philadelphia. As well as being able to watch the community around him evolve into a multitude of culture and racial activism. However most importantly, the opportunity to have a front view into the world around him becoming an ever lasting footprint in racial equality. In our interview, Mr. Meketon remarked several instances in childhood and adolescence in which on a daily basis he was unknowingly watching racial activism and development and race equality. One instance in particular that really demonstrated the developing condition for struggling ethnicities was when he talked about when he was in elementary school. As young as he was, Mr. Meketon was still able to recognize the fact that society, education, politics, and many more institutions such as those were becoming more and more integrated. He talked about his experiences and observations with discrimination and other racial stereotypes. As well as growing up around Civil Rights culture such as white and black gangs and a understanding of who was at the top of the food chain and who just barely making it  on the bottom of the economic, political, and social scale. Mr. Meketon also talked about what it was like watching historical moments in history such as riots that included children of color getting savagely beaten and sprayed with a hose. He showed his empathy and childlike astonishment at the fact that, that could happen to children even younger than himself. One of the major key points of the interview was when Mr. Meketon referred back to his liberal household and his siblings who acted and promoted the Civil Rights movement through many of the movements ups such as Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the downs such as the devastating race riots. Richard Meketon still holds the things he saw and remembers to treat others with respect and dignity just as his parents did.



Research topic part 1 Birmingham Riots

In the interview, Mr. Meketon was very cantor about his experiences and opinions during many Civil Rights movements .  One of which was not only a significant part of the the movement, but was able to finally gain some attention to equality and justice for all such as the infamous Birmingham riots in which thousands of  were arrested and  were oppressed by police brutality.  During this time non violent demonstrators all over Birmingham, particularly children , were protesting the lack of equality. Martin Luther King was the head of this protest against desegregation and was able to inspired hundreds of thousand of African American men, women, and children. thousands of protesters were thrown in jail and were sprayed with forceful high pressured hoses that led many critically injured. A little more than a month after the beginning of the movement, the campaign got International and presidential attention. The campaign was a success and segregation was a thing of the pass in Birmingham, at least in a legal sense. However not that long after the campaign ended a bombing occurred at a famous African American church and took lives of four young and innocent African American children.  This description compares to my fathers experience because as a young child he found it horrifying that the “heros” that he looked up to because of their genuine and admirable fiscode were hurting and beating innocent people who were just trying to fight for their rights as human beings. I think that Mr. Meketon really felt as though there was injustice being done in Birmingham and that there was something that just wasn’t right and something had to be done.


Sources:

http://www.pbs.org/black-culture/explore/civil-rights-movement-birmingham-campaign/#.U3_SZBVX-uY

http://crdl.usg.edu/events/birmingham_demonstrations/

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/randall/birmingham.htm




Research topic part 2 Martin Luther King


Another fascinating topic that came up in the interview was Civil Rights activist Such as Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King was a prominent and powerful Civil Rights activist who lead the path against segregation and achieving racial equality.  Martin Luther King was the head of many Civil Rights Movements such as The “Childrens Crusade”, “The Montgomery Bus Boycott”, and “MArch on Washington” As well as being well known for his non violent approach to protesting and activism.  MArtin Luther King is most well known for his famous speech “I have a dream” in which he spoke of equality, desegregation, and hope. As a famous activist, Nobel Peace Prize winner, as well as SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference). Sadly Martin Luther King was assassinated, however his legacy will forever be imprinted in the minds and hearts of millions.  As young child father saw the man on tv as someone of hope, vision, and cause. Like my father, the world embraced and saw Martin Luther King as a visionary and knew he was going to change the world. Even though not everyone saw his point of view, everyone was able see that he had left the country and the world in better shape than before. He will forever be remembered.


http://www.thekingcenter.org/about-dr-king

http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/martin-luther-king-jr

http://www.kinginstitute.info/


Transcription

EM=Eliza Meketon

RM=Richard Meketon



EM:State your name and date of birth please


RM: Richard J. Meketon, 1959


Em: Ok so I am going to ask you a few standard questions and then we are going to go into some deeper topics.


Ok so question number 1, what was like growing up in your neighborhood when you were younger?


RM: It was very nice, it was tree line street there were a lot of kids in the neighborhood.


EM:Was there a lot of diversity in your neighborhood and in your school?

Rm: Yes absolutely, I lived in the mount airy section of Philadelphia which was one of the most diverse parts of the country and it always been an integrated neighborhood and continued to be so.


EM: Now in your school did you ever notice segregation or discrimination going on?


RM: In elementary school, over the course of eight years, I did notice the nature of the school change.


EM: Can you talk about a certain situation in which you noticed something that hadn't been there before?


RM: Well when I was in second grade, the school was mostly white almost 70% white and 30% African American, by the time I was in 8th grade it was 30% white and 70% African American.


EM:As a little kid, did you notice a difference between you and other kids of diversity, or did you not care?


RM: Well in my family and my parents, almost taught me to ignore differences in color, but ah, we always had black people in and out of our house, ah to me, there was no black, Asian, white, there was no difference.You were a friend, or you weren’t a friend.


Em: Do ever recall an instance when someone you knew, or even yourself was not allowed to do something because of their race?


RM: Well as I got older in school, and we were playing more athletics, the school was changing from a predominately white school to a predominantly black school and as someone who was not the most athletically inclined, that I was being chosen for less and less sports, now whether, I was chosen for less and less sports because I wasn't athletically inclined ,or wasn't I chosen because I want African American , its hard to say. There were a lot of white boys who were athletically inclined, and not picked.


EM: Would you say that there were more stereotypes being progressed, or less stereotypes.


Rm: I really didn't believe any of the stereotypes I heard.


Em: so when you were younger, did you hear anything regarding Civil Rights?


RM: Well yes, in the city of Philadelphia, we knew of the Black panthers, we knew about gangs, and in the mount airy section where I lived, there were a couple of gangs. There were white gangs and black gangs,so you were aware of these things. You were aware of what jobs people had and that white people had more authority jobs and servant oriented jobs were more minority jobs.


Em: Now when you were growing up, did anyone ever tell what was right or wrong when it came to race?


RM: My parents.


Em: can you open up about that


Rm: There were some words you just weren't aloud to say, and we were an incredibly liberal household, some words you just weren't aloud to say such as the “N Word” you would get in trouble if you said it.


Em: So when you were growing up, were you ever able to hear and like listen to any of the Civil Rights Leaders?


RM: In Philadelphia…. yeah, that there were rallies in Philadelphia

many rallies. I do remember seeing the Reverend Martin Luther King on TV. I also remember seeing the horrible riots on in other cities, the police riots in the south where they shot water cannons in crowds of African Americans and stuck dogs on kids no older than me.


Em. Now when you saw that as a young child, did you think of it as another child getting attacked, or did you see as something else? going


Rm: I saw myself in that situation and the question I always asked was what did those people did wrong? NO one could tell me what those people did wrong to have fire hoses and dogs. I was disturbed in that I always admired firemen, firemen were heros to me, and I saw firemen shooting high powered hoses into crowds of children and adults that were doing nothing to hurt anybody.


Em: So, since this was worldwide, and it affected a lot of people, at school and home, was it ever major discussion, or was it just tucked away?


RM:As I said before, I came from an incredibly liberal household and all matters of discussion were at the dinner table. I had an older brother and a sister who were active in the civil Rights movement and anti war movement. My parents were very active in the neighborhood so conversations were abundant. I was a small child at the time, but I over heard and comprehended  what was happening in Philadelphia and in the country in general.


Em:When you were growing up, did you recognize that the time you ere in would be a famous part of history, or did you just see it as what it was?


RM: As I was growing up, later as I was growing up, when I was five or six, no, but when I was nine or ten absoultley.


Em: So you were able to recognize what you were apart of.


RM: When I was four years old, John F. Kennedy was murdered, when I was nine Bobby Kennedy was murdered, Martin Luther King was murdered. These were impressions that never left me, so yes I understood. I liked sports and I knew about Muhammad Ali, who basically refused to be drafted. I was aware of most of the items, but O was aware of the events.


Em: Thank you, this has been a very successful interview.


Rm: Thank you Mrs Meketon


Em: Thank you Mr. Meketon


RM: Thank you Ms: Meketon


Dads interview
Dads interview part 2

Oral History- J. Martin

Abstract

In this interview, Jackie Walker expressed her experiences and beliefs about the time during the Civil Rights Movement. She is an African American who was born and raised in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. Although she was very young and lived in the North during the Civil Rights Movement she told stories that was told to her by her mother and when she took vacation trips to her mother’s hometown in South Carolina. She talked about her first experiences witnessing racism and segregation.


Research

The 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama was bombed on Sunday, September 15, 1963 as an act of white  terrorism. It exploded right before Sunday morning services. With a  predominantly black congregation that served as a meeting place for civil rights leaders. Four young girls were killed and many other people injured. The bombing of the church and the killing of the girls marked a turning point in the Civil Rights Movement.


Sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing


http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/birmingham-church-bombing


Transcrpit

Time and Setting of the Interview

Place : Ms. Walker home in Philadelphia, PA

Date : May 18, 2014

Persons present during the interview : Ms.Walker and Jada


Jada : Good afternoon, today is Sunday May 18, 2014 it is 1:20 where I will be interviewing Ms.Walker about her life during the Civil Rights Movement. So, Ms.Walker lets start off by asking you some questions about your family, when and where were you born.


Ms.Walker :  I was born May 27, 1951


Jada : Now lets talk about your family


Ms.Walker : My mother was a school teacher. My father was a construction worker. I have one sibling. We lived on a small block in West Philadelphia. Where every family had two parents and home. Most of them had cars and all the fathers worked. It was just one big happy family.


Jada : What was your sister name?


Ms.Walker : Dolores


Jada : What school did y'all attend?


Ms.Walker : I attended West Philadelphia High School. She attended Bok Vocational High School. We both attended McMichael Elementary School.


Jada : How was school during the Civil Rights Movement?


Ms.Walker : It was okay. In our neighborhood school it was all black. For 9th grade we were bused to South Philadelphia from West Philadelphia for Junior High. Which was a white neighborhood. Well it was white and black but it was ok.


Jada : Since there was white and black did you experience any racism?


Ms. Walker :  Not in school I didn't.


Jada : So outside of school ?


Ms.Walker : No, to be honest I was grown when I experienced racism. I was at a nursing home visiting my aunt and I got called a Nigger for the first time. By some one who was about 90 years old stuck in a wheel chair in a nursing home. And I thought that was sad to be in that position and to have those type of feelings.


Jada : How do you feel about the Civil Rights Movement?


Ms.Walker : The Civil Rights Movement was a very good experience. Living in the North we didn't experience to much of it. It was hidden a lot but in the South it was not hidden. I remember my mother took my sister and I to her hometown in South Carolina. We went to a store and while we were in the store shopping we had to use the restroom. When we got to the restroom it said colored and white. That was a new experience for my sister and I. It was a airy feeling. Another experience we had in the South was going to the laundromat with my aunt.  One side were for whites and the other side was for colored.


Jada : How old were y'all at that time.


Ms.Walker :  We were teenagers any where from 14 to 17.


Jada : How has your views on race changed in the last decades.


Ms.Walker : Well I never . .I wasn't taught that way. So I never had any racism. But on this day . . this morning I was standing on my porch. The neighborhood has changed so much. That all of the older people have died. Their properties have been sold or rented out. So we have a lot of college students now. I spoke to a college student walking down the street as I was standing on my porch and he didn't acknowledge me. I thought that was sad for 2014.


Jada : Well do you think it was because of his race ?


Ms.Walker : It was racism. He probably was taught to be that way. My feelings were I've been here for 62 years and if you're going to come in you should be polite.


Jada : Since you were born in the year 1955 that was the year Rosa Parks

Ms. Walker : I was born 1951


Jada : I'm sorry 1951 so you were born before Rosa Parks went to jail for the bus boycott so you were about three. So you really didn't have much experience with that.


Ms.Walker : No we .. Most of the Civil rights War we watched on tv. The right to vote and the bombing of the churches. We were around but we were children. I was sad and we did a lot of crying watching the news because it was very sad. Children couldn't go church while being afraid of being blown up.


Jada : Has your mother and father shared their stories with you about segregation?


Ms. Walker : Yes, my mother told us storied of going to the movies.She had two friends a female and a male that both could pass for white. The white people sat on the main floor and black people had to enter from a different door and sit on the balcony. And how her friends sat on the balcony with them and didn't pass for white.


Jada : Well thank you Ms. Walker for your time


Ms. Walker : You're welcome.




Interview, Ms.Walker

Oral History

Abstract


In this interview I decided to interview my nana. Her name is Adel Armstrong . She was born in Virginia. I was told that the segregation and the racism was much worse in the South than it was in where she and I live now ( Philadelphia ) . During the interview we mostly talked about one thing. I think our main focus during this interview was segregation and desegregation. She explained to me how it was terrible because they were treated unfairly. They had different fountains… one was for blacks and the other was for whites. But the water fountain for the whites was a better one. Overall I feel like I learned a lot about the past thanks to my nana.


Research


Something I decided to do research on was desegregation of schools. From my research I learned that schools were first segregated in 1849. This was decided by the Massachusetts Supreme Court. All schools were segregated separating the blacks from the whites. White people were treated better at their schools whereas the blacks were not treated as well. These segregations lasted for a long time. But then schools were finally beginning to be desegregated. This all started at ‘Little Rock School”. This desegregation took place in 1957. Although blacks felt some kind of in equality then, they still felt unwanted because of the way the white people treated them.


Sources


Transcript


Interviewer : Kiyannah McGee (Km) Interviewee: Adele Armstrong ( Aa) The Interview takes place Saturday night at around 7:00pm. It takes place at my house 525 widener. I interviewed my nana.

Km: Okay. I am Kiyannah and I am going to be interviewing my nana for this benchmark.

Km: In your definition what is social movement?

Aa: Social movement is when there is a group organized to desegregate any type of entity such as a school, restaurant or movie theater.

Km: I understand there were a lot of different social movements involved during 1957, why do you think that is?

Aa: Actually I was born in 58 so I can remember when I was a child and going to one of the first desegregated schools, which was an eschool and I was in the 5th grade at the time, so I was one of the african american students, who was chosen to desegregate that school.

Km: What are some examples of racial segregation?

Aa: One example , like I said before is the ability to go to a white school, that time I was the one of the african american students to go, as far as going to schools , going to restaurants , they had water fountains that were for uncolored only, ummmmmm etc.

Km: How were you treated?

Aa: We were treated as though we were not wanted, we were treated differently from the other caucasian people. We were treated as though we were interfering with their lifestyle and it was an adjustment that I had to make mentally in order to get through it and it happened , thank god.

Km: What was the outcome of desegregation?

Aa: Well, the outcome was ,we were able to go to an all white school Chared Elementry and after a couple of years, kids began to play with each other, you know the races, black and white children began to play with each other and the kids thinking about the fact that they are a different race, but I think the parents didn’t really allow the caucasian to play with african american kids.

Km: Why do you think these times got better over time?

Aa: I think over time people realized they are human beings whether its black, white … colors are only skin deep and start to look at people’s character more though than the color of their skin which helps them to really get along with each other and its the way you treat people with love and respect so let people know, wow you are just like I am and thats how I believe things got better.

Km: Did you live here during that time?

Aa: No , I lived in  North county , Virginia

Km: Down south?

Aa: Yes, down south

Km: So do you think it was worst down south than it is here?

Aa: Yes, because I think the southerners is where it originally began it was more amp to follow generational, follow what their family did, it was like their grandparents told their parents and their parents told their children and I think it was a continuing communication of how blacks should be treated whereas in the North they didn’t have slavery and people were more amp to receive african americans or negro as they were.

Km: So, I understand it was very segregated back then, so today there are still racial things going on, so do you believe they will ever stop

Aa: Well , I think once the generation really begins to die off, I think its only certain people that are trying to keep the racism going, you know... ummm right now , now we have a United states that has inneracial marriages thats happening, I believe that later on  as the years go by, there really is not going to be a race because there are many people who are mixed that you can’t tell who’s who. But I think the original rights are the ones who are trying to keep things going and for some reason the society is amp to change, I believe and I think its on the way.

Km: Ok, so we are almost done. Do you think it was harder for you than it was for a caucasian female , was it harder since you’re african american?

Aa: Ummm… yes it was harder because we were treated differently every time we went into a store, we was looked at as we were stealing stuff or a you know, we were looked at as we were different though, yeah it was different, you know, I guess since time went on you allow yourself to you know , get numb to it, it just becomes something thats norm. Basically us white (oops) I mean black children were treated differently than the caucasian.

Km: Okay, what is your opinion on the civil rights movement and segregation, about everything?

Aa: Well my opinion overall is that I thank god that it happened and I thank god that known, you know Martin Luther King he rose up , god allowed him to raise up to help desegregate and preach to the people that all men should be treated equal, he had to die for it but he died for a good cause.  I think it was well worth it in the end because now we do have an african american president and thats the start, thats a huge start for racism ending , racism truly ending.

Km: And lastly, do you have any regrets?

Aa: No , I do not, and if I had to do it again I would, because it toughened me up , and confidence and boldness and I think god for that

Km : Okay, Thankyou

Aa: My name was Adele Armstrong ( Oops forgot to mention her actual  name)

Km: Yay

Oral History - Ashley Bailey

Abstract


During this interview, Ashley Bailey listens to her grandmother, Lucilla Commander explain what it was like growing up during several racial events. Even in the small city of her hometown Lynchburg, South Carolina where she was born in August 18, 1954. Mrs. Commander was not a slave herself, but as an african american woman she was worked and used like she was a slave. There were ones who she knew because of their race not to cross their line. However, that thought disappeared from her mind whenever she felt that she was right no matter what skin color a person was. If she felt she was right she stood up for herself. This interview covers more information on some experiences, thoughts, and feelings of Lucilla, more than an entire african american society. Although there are some racial relations dealing with property, jobs, discrimination. Usually, some people as well as Mrs. Commander were used to the treatment and just dealt with it.


Research


Since as early as 1960, the african american unemployment rate has been twice the white rate. As of 2010, if the blacks had equal the amount of unemployment rate as the white then there would have been an additional 1.3 million blacks working. If blacks had the same employment rate as white then an additional 2 million blacks would have been working.  African Americans earned some what to half of what the whites made. Sometimes employers wouldn’t even get their money from their work. Not only did it make african americans unemployed but it left them homeless and could not provide for himself, yet alone a family. According to my research, african american kids only had half the chance to complete high school, one third of a chance to complete college, and a third chance of entering a career profession when they grew up. All of that also cut down on the african american working percent because so many didn’t have the opportunity to a  proper education or were forced to work as for someone. African Americans earned some what to half of what the whites made.


Sources



Transcript

Interview with Lucilla Commander

May 10, 2014


Ashley: Hello, I am here with my grandmother, about to do a short interview, and now she will quickly introduce herself.

Lucilla: I am Ashley’s grandmother. I was born in Lynchburg, South Carolina. It was a small town. I was raised in the country on a farm and I moved to Philly after high school at the age of seventeen, alone.

Ashley: Okay, first question. How would you explain your hardships during the Civil Rights Movement or any other discriminating occasions?

Lucilla: Uhm, well.. I would describe it in a more of a metal way than physical way. Uhm, we weren’t allowed to eat at certain places and ‘uhh we would have to go the back of the establishments to order a sandwich or order our food. We couldn’t go inside. ‘Uhh so that was hardship right there to me or mentally.

Ashley: And did you ever try to fight back?

Lucilla: ‘Uhh, well you know fighting back that covers a whole lot, but I never thought about that. It was just a way of life.

Ashley: Did any of these experiences ever make you want to harm yourself?

*not part of the interview*

Lucilla: No, never. That experience just caused me to want to change my way of life and improve myself.

Ashley: So, how did you hide or show your emotions? In other words, how did you deal with things?

Lucilla: See, I had that right on the tip of my tongue. Hmmmm, what did I say Ashley?

*asks for help answering the question*

Well, I read a lot of books about places that I never dreamed that I would ever visit. So, I mostly buried myself in books reading about a better life.

Ashley: So, that’s how you hid your emotions. So, you never showed your emotions?

Lucilla: No, not really.

Ashley: Okay now, what was your typical schedule like as a worker?

Lucilla: ‘Uhm, well as a worker I started working, well raised on a farm you start working early, but my first physical job and official job was in high school. 9th grade I worked, in the office. From 9th grade through 12th grade and this helped me to pay my way through school and then in 1962 at the age of 17 I moved to Philadelphia and I got a job working in a hospital kitchen and I was making a dollar and hour.

Ashley: Why did you decide to move to Philadelphia?

Lucilla: Because at that time if you didn’t have transportation it wasn’t no way to get…. it wasn’t no jobs really for us down there. It was just farm working back there. Mostly farm working or house working in ‘62.

Ashley: And you said you got paid a dollar an hour. Was that normal for african americans or was that something, like how would you describe how you guys got paid maybe to how the whites got paid?

Lucilla: Well to be honest, making a dollar an hour it was basically black working in the kitchen where I worked at and we all made primarily the same thing at that time. So, I don’t know.

Ashley: Okay, ‘uhm. Did you always follow all of the laws or like did you always obey your authority?

Lucilla: Well, most of the time. If I thought I was right, I stood up for it even if it meant some type of punishment. I still believed if I’m right, I’m right no matter who says I’m wrong.

Ashley: Understood. Now do you feel like you have accomplished anything as a person or do you feel like we have accomplished anything as an African American society?

Lucilla: Well, as a person I would say I have accomplished a lot. When you look back from where I came from. I came from the cotton field, from a farm, picking cotton, harvesting tobacco, and whatever else we grew and from there I went on to working in a hospital kitchen. From there I filed clerk for a company and finally became an accountant for a company at that company.

Ashley: Now, what about African American as a society. What do you feel like we’ve accomplished?

Lucilla: Well, we have accomplished a lot of stuff. I feel we’re able to vote and we’re able to voice our opinion about different things. We have a black president. That’s a great improvement right there. When you think about years ago I never thought I would live to see a black president of the United States?

Ashley: Do you think racism is over?

Lucilla: Well, it depends. There’s all types of racism I believe. ‘Uhh discrimination, it’s all types so my belief there will always going to be some type.

Ashley: No, can you tell about an experience you had, if any where you were discriminated because of your race?

Lucilla: Well, I have… like I said before when I went into a resturant, sat down, and they wouldn’t serve us because of the race. They walked by and acted like we didn’t exist and we were told to just ignore it and just weren’t served.

Ashley: Okay, last question to wrap things up. Did you ever see yourself here today?

Lucilla: As a young girl growing up in the South, no. I thought sure we would have been… no, I just didn’t see myself here today.

Ashley: And why is that?

Lucilla: Because of the way of life back then in the 50’s and 60’s.

Ashley: So, what did you think was gonna happen? Like, where did you see yourself?

Lucilla: That I never pictured myself anywhere. I don’t know. Wait a minute. I didn’t see myself here today because I just thought that. Oh my God… I don’t know Ashley.

Ashley: Well, when you say you no, is there a particular reason why you say no? Or you just thought you wouldn’t make it past everything that was going on?

Lucilla: Everything that was going on and the way… it was just so much going on back then. you just didn’t see yourself making. Some people didn’t see himself making it and I was one of them.

Ashley: Okay, well that’s all for today. Thank you for your time.

Lucilla: Your welcome. I hope I’ve been some help.



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Oral history - M. Vinson

​Abstract: In this interview of my grandmother, Caroline she brought up the topic of their being Jim crow in the south, specifically south Carolina because that's where she was living at the time, but when she moved to Philly their wasn't Jim crow. Jim crow was just laws, segregating blacks from whites and restricting them from different things. One more thing my grandmother spoke about was Martin Luther Kings I Have a Dream speech.

Research: August 28th, 1963, This day martin Luther king gave his “I have a dream” speech to a crowd of over 250,00 people at the Lincoln memorial during the march of Washington. In the speech he calls for an end to racism in the united states. The march on Washington for jobs and freedom was partly intended to demonstrate mass support for the civil rights legislation proposed by president Kennedy in June. The march on Washington for jobs and freedom was also known as the great march on Washington was one of the largest political rallies in united states history. The march was organized by groups of civil rights, labor, and religious organizations. The civil rights act of 1964 was proposed by Kennedy in June 1963 and is a landmark part of civil rights legislation in the united states. It would outlaw discrimination due to sex, or skin color, race, or religion. The marches were credited for helping to pass the civil rights act of 1964.  

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

http://inthesetimes.com/article/4124/jim_crow_in_the_north

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/themap/map.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_a_Dream

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/martin-luther-kings-speech-dream-full-text/story?id=14358231


Transcript: 

MV: When were you born?

CV: May 5th, 1933

MV: where were you born?

CV: south Carolina?

MV: How was it like your first ten years of growing up?

CV: It was good, I learned about the old government. my grandmother worked for the pension fund. I went with my grandmother to wash and iron for the white families.

MV: did they treat you any way?

CV: yes

MV: how did they treat you?

CV: we ate after they did, we had to walk to their house to do their laundry. I used to go with my grandmother when she worked in tobacco.

MV: what was your grandmother's name ?

CV: Della

MV: What was her last name?

CV: Della Peterson.

MV: What was your mothers name?

CV: charity

MV: Charity Peterson?

CV: yes.

MV: Where did she [charity Peterson] work?

CV: She did domestic work.

MV: Was she around the house a lot

CV: No she sleep in.

MV: Father?

CV: My father was a farmer.

MV: What did he farm?

CV: He had his own farm.

MV: Did he make a lot of money farming?

CV: Yes he owned it. He had cotton pickers.

MV: What do you remember about school.

CV: Yes, I started the school when I was 5 years old, the school I went to was in a church and all the classes were in one room.

MV: Any white kids in the school?

CV: NO

MV: Did you ever think about going to school with white kids?

CV: Not really, I went to school with white people just not in south Carolina.

MV: Are you still living in south Carolina while you were in grade school.

CV: yes.

MV: did you ever think that white kids education was better?

CV: no, I didn't think it was better.

MV: Did you think you were getting a solid education at that school?

CV: yes

MV: Do you remember the name of the school or the church it was in?

CV: Antioch.

MV: Where did you attend high school:

CV: Junior high school in Philadelphia, and senior high in south Carolina.

MV: So you were moving back and forward between Philly and south Carolina.

CV: Right, right.

MV: So when did you first move to Philly?

CV: 1946

MV: Did you notice a big difference between Philly and south Carolina ?

CV: yes I did.

MV: What differences:

CV: It wasn't as Jim crow. The whites and colored were the same.

MV: So the whites and blacks would mingle in the streets?

CV: YES.

MV: Was it segregated?

CV: No it wasn't segregated

MV: So would you say you felt more comfortable living in Philly for the time?

CV: yes.

MV: When you went back to south Carolina how was the feeling?

CV: It was OK.

MV: would you have liked to live in Philly more after you been their?

CV: yes.

MV: When did you first hear about martin Luther king?

CV: in 1960’s

MV: Remember your first job

CV: yes

MV: what was it

CV: IT was uniform laundry

MV: How long did you work their?

CV: 44 years.

MV: 44 years.

MV: do you remember any speeches martin Luther king had?

CV: Yes, The I have a dream speech.

MV: Any other speeches?

CV: No that's the one that stood out the most.

MV: So when you first heard-

CV: Free at last, free at last thank god almighty I am free at last.


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Oral History Project

Abstract:
In this interview, Allen Platt expressed his experience and beliefs about the time during the Civil Rights Movement. He lived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and is a white male. He described his relationships with African Americans in WWII, and when he was a teacher. Allen did not see any direct examples of discrimination against African Americans. He mentions the Mayor/Police commissioner, Frank Rizzo. Allen gives a general idea of his experiences. 

Research:

According to my sources, I found that Rizzo did have a bad reputation in the African American community at that time. He was accused of racially motivated targeting of activities in African American neighborhoods. During the Columbia Avenue Riots, he kept steady watch, and tried to limit the looting and violence that would happen. When he was a commissioner, he had one of the highest percentages of African Americans among his departments in 1968. He was known to be loyal to his department. Later in his career, his response to the MOVE incident in 1978 suggested claims of racism. The details of that event include the eviction of the MOVE organization members, and the beating of an unarmed MOVE member. Allen regarded Frank Rizzo as “... who was extremely hostile, very hostile to African Americans.” From my research, I can see the relation between Allen’s statement, and the actual events.


Sources 

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/17/obituaries/frank-rizzo-of-philadelphia-dies-at-70-a-hero-and-villain.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rizzo

http://w3.law.psu.edu/civilrights/articles/frankrizzobio.html

Transcript

Saturday May 10th, 2014

Grandfather’s apartment in Philadelphia

11:04am


GH: Okay...Its recording now.

GH: What was it like living as a young white male in the 1950s and 60s?

AP: There was a complete segregation between whites and people of color, minority people. LIved in different neighborhoods, went to different schools, completely separate. Because of that, people of color and people who were white didn't get to know each other

GH: Yeah

AP: All they got to know is, like what they call stereotypes, you know what that is?

GH: Yeah

AP: Okay. That’s all we got. And often, they were incorrect most often they were incorrect. I’ll give you an example: when I went to ehm high school it was 1942, I went to Central High School. You had to take a test to go there.

GH: Yeah

AP: And in my school, was all boys at the time, there were very few African American kids. There were no asians, and very few African American because of segregation.

GH: Yeah

AP: So it was not a healthy time, all I can tell you we did not know each other we just didn't know each other

GH: Okay. During that time what was one of you favorite activities? What did African Americans play like, how did African Americans play a role in it and if so what was the environment like?

AP: Gimme the question again please.

GH: What was your favorite pastime, and did African Americans play a role in it, and if so what was the environment like between the two?

AP:Ehm. My favorite pastimes doing a lot of drifting, daydreaming actually.  

GH: [laughs]

AP: And I've always loved to read, so I was reading a lot and listened to music alot, and the music I listened to was generally classical music and some pop. It was before the event of rock and roll so I didn't have any idea what rock and roll was like. And there was jazz, and that was introduced by African American people. Excellent jazz. [Restates] Excellent jazz. And even that I didn't know too well uhm, I didn't have friends who were African American so I didn't really get to know the music. The jazz. And jazz was very popular. And 1942 was uhm, a time of very bad-war in Europe so cause’, Europe the war started in 39, Germans uh we're going all over Europe, and the Japanese attacked pearl harbor in 1941 so we, when I was 18 actually, I went, was 18 and a half, I had one semester at Temple University. All the students were called up and we were put in the army. And by the way, in the army, in the barracks, no African Americans. There were none.

GH: Really?

AP: Really. As a matter of fact, this is such a eh, what's the word I want to use…  such a, I use bad because African Americans were not put in regular army units, they were segregated so they drove trucks they did labor work. And many of them had very special skills which would help, but they were put into these sort of non technical work.

GH: Yeah

AP: And in my barrack we had young men from Pennsylvania, North- different other places, but no African Americans.

GH: Did you ever see discrimination occur? If so, what happened?

AP: What dear?

GH: Discrimination, like openly happen.

AP: I'm ashamed to say in a way I did see discrimination occur. For instance, you went to a movie theatre, and there were no African Americans there. And there were people who were African Americans generally treated in a sort of a non human way, and many of the people who cleaned houses- African American women. So I had a woman who I got to know her, her name was Bertha came to clean my mother’s house. I used to try to- I felt [pauses] sorry for her, like she would have to carry the vacuum cleaner, I'd carry it up for her and down, I actually can't say I saw direct discrimination, but I would read about discrimination in the newspaper. There was obviously discrimination even though it was more in the South.

GH: Yeah

AP: In Philadelphia there was discrimination because African American people had to live in in associated neighborhoods. We can call them ghettos. And go to segregated schools

GH: Yeah. Did you agree with Civil Rights Movement’s protests?

AP: Very much, and I was- I read a lot. I would read every time there were people, there was a man named Stokely Carmichael, who was an early civil rights man and he, he… he first uttered the slogan “black is beautiful”, so African americans started to feel good about themselves and then there were the black panthers.

GH: Oh yeah

AP: And these were there was a lot of resentment for African American people, a lot of anger going on because there were so many things that were, that were harmful to do in your family and began to want to eh hurt people. Hurt white people, hurt anybody that discriminated against them. So there was a lot of riots in cities uh. African Americans would start fires, and go through wrecking buildings automobiles, and in Philadelphia there was a police commissioner named [Frank] Rizzo, who was extremely hostile, very hostile to African Americans. And police would hit em’ on the head that kind of thing where.

GH: Yeah

AP: And so in Philadelphia, it was a very bad time at that time.

GH: How were African Americans treated during your time as a teacher?..or counselor

AP: Well when I first started teaching, I taught in a school, there were no African American children. It was 1950.

GH:Yeah

AP: It was a school in Mayfair elementary Northeast Philadelphia. It was a brand new school. neighborhood, no African american. And I changed, I started teaching science at a junior high school in Kensington they were generally white people, who were living in poverty conditions, no African Americans. And because when people are in poverty, regardless of what your race is, you get, you get very angry. So there was anger at the African Americans because they were trying to upgrade themselves, and white people didn't know how to handle it at the time. It was just a very difficult time. So I had very little association with African Americans, but if I could jump ahead where I did have…

GH: That would be cool

AP: Yeah, where I did have well i graduated college, 1949, my first job was in a philadelphia uhm going to see people, people who were on what its called welfare.

GH: Yeah

AP: And I would visit elderly people things like that. And people who working at this time were African American. So I got to know them not only on a working person, but as a friend. So we began to associate together. And then we had parties together. And my friends would invite African American people. This was very new, but also very exciting cause’ we were bringing people together.

GH: Alright, thank you Ogg [what I refer to my grandfather as]

AP: IS THAT ALL?
GH: I think so. Yes.

AP: I hope I was helpful.

GH: YOU WERE VERY HELPFUL. Thank you very much.


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